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xx Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - comparison
« Thread started on: Jun 13th, 2015, 9:57pm »

Hey everyone

Fortunate enough to pick up a Soldano Hot Rod 50. All the info on this amp says "The Overdrive channel is identical to the SLO circuit and gives awesome sustain even at moderate settings". Is it really identical??

This a direct comparison of the Soldano SLO 100 & the Soldano Hot Rod 50 - using the same guitar (Tom Anderson Drop Top Classic), same mic, same EQ settings on both amps. Whilst I wouldn't choose these EQ settings if I was to gig with these amps, this gives us the chance to compare them both.


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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #1 on: Jul 1st, 2015, 12:11pm »

The Hot Rod 50 Plus seems quite similar in tone.
This is a dilemma for me as my SLO sleet just backed out of the deal, now I am starting the hunt all over again. Do I go for the SLO that I know, or can the HR50+ actually compare at 1-2k less?
That is indeed the question
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #2 on: Jul 5th, 2015, 07:32am »

Like I said, the HR50 is a rock machine. They have the O'netics High Def transformers in them, which do sound and act different than the older non-SLO amps from Soldano that used Mercury Magnetics and Magnetic Components (made in Illinois) transformers. I had a Decatone that had the latter. Bud Pervine, designer of said transformers wrote in an article that he was asked by Eric and Martin DeYoung themselves to design new transformers. This is coming from the guys who have the ultimate transformers designed by John Wozniack that go in the SLO. Pervine's transformers simply are awesome, and the High Def's have the clarity and 3D sound you'll hear from the DeYoung's. It's common knowledge that the transformers are what ultimately makes an amplifier above and beyond the rest of the pack. The O'netics are awesome and are as stable as can be.

With that said, the SLO and the HR amps are not the exact same. Even circuit wise or build wise. However this is Mike Soldano we are talking about and he, as we all know, has crazy good circuit designs and tank like build quality no matter what it is. The SLO was first on the scene for Mike and he has not changed it since the beginning, which is a very cool thing. And you have the added coolness that nobody else has those DeYoung transformers. They are strictly SLO, with a few no longer available exceptions. Not to mention it has the best warranty in the biz, but all other Soldano amps have the exact same warranty to the original owner. The SLO is transferable. If you buy a HR new, and keep it, you have a lifetime warranty also.

In the end, it is up to you and what you want to get out of owning an amp. If you have the extra money and can push the SLO to the volumes it needs to shine, and like the "personality" of them, go the SLO. It really is a super bad ass piece of equipment. The HR amps are equally bad ass, only they have a bit different flavor. A flavor that I myself prefer. But I also like the Mesa Dual Rectifier, haha. Build quality and reliability wise......well, they're all Soldano amps and need no clarifying in that department. Some call the HR amps the "poor man's" SLO. I've never met a poor man that can buy a $2500+ guitar amp though, LOL. Daniel Johns from Silverchair ran one (HR50+) and Gary Moore used them (HR50+) along side SLO's. They rock.

Here is the article from Bud Purvine:

My name is Bud Purvine, I design for O-Netics Ltd. In 2000 Martin and Eric DeYoung asked me to lunch and wanted to talk about designing and building transformers to unseat Mercury Magnetics. Apparently someone at MM had irritated them. My response was to forget about Mercury, they made a reasonable product for a reasonable price and they were in a death struggle with Shumacher. I could see no reason to interfere.

I did point out that we could make "voiced" output transformers and that the same amplifier circuitry could be made to play and respond like a Fender, Marshall, High Gain ultra clear, Blues or The Standard for all around playing. I said I thought five voices would be enough. Martin asked me if I wanted to see the original design specs for the SLO, that my by then deceased friend, John Wozniack had designed for the SLO. I said no, I did not want to copy what John had done. That anything I designed would be much broader in usefulness than a specific OPT design, for a specific set of parameters would be, as it was done in the 50's when John learned his trade. They then pointed to O-Netics making the SLO for Soldano and I said no to that also. I felt that John had done a superb job and that it should not be interfered with and that I was pretty sure Mike would think the same. He did.

The next step was a conference with Dave Krackey, here in Seattle. Dave provided a set of power transformer specs that he felt would be most useful for DIY builders, and so they have proven. We at O-Netics went ahead and designed and developed the five voices. Andy Marshall at THD was kind enough to collaborate with me in getting the voicing correct for each of the categories, now called, Hi Def, Retro M, Retro F, Blues and The Standard.

One of them, the Hi Def is held in high esteem by the SLO clone builders. Soldano now buys that OPT design, for all of their 50 and 100 watt amplifiers, except the SLO. This is a recent event, beginning last year and continuing through this year. De Young still makes the original SLO OPT, power and choke and will continue to do this.

If you want an original OPT for the SLO, you must try to talk Mike Soldano into selling you one, good luck in this. If you want to build a clone, with an OPT that does not change it's response due to power levels, dissonance, massive amounts of distortion and will still play perfect clean channel, get a Hi Def. Log on to the SLO clone web site for their opinions. These are available through http://www.c3amps.com/ and more recently http://www.rhodesamplification.com/ or you can contact me directly through the PM service here. To buy them from me will take you 8 weeks, C3 usually has them in stock, along with some other useful components.

There are a few manufacturers we have respect for, Mercury, Deyoung, Pacific, Hammond, Heyboer and a few others. All of them make similar OPT's, sort of an old school design philosophy. O-Netics has just taken another step in performance. Not to say it makes the other manufacturers obsolete, either. The OPT is the single most important component in your amp, period. How it interacts with the power tubes and the speakers will be 90% of what is wrong with any given amp and 70% of what is right. Our products might not suit your playing style and you need to experience parts from other manufacturers, just to educate yourself in what is available and what suits your art.

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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #3 on: Jul 19th, 2015, 08:00am »

I love my 98 HR100+ with MM iron as much as my SLO I use to have...... grin
Even if I bought another SLO again in the future I will still keep my HR100+ , it's just one badass sounding old school R-N-R monster . cool
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #4 on: Jul 30th, 2015, 4:38pm »

Mike did a bang up job with the Hot Rod amps. I'm really gassing for a Lucky13 now.....haha it never ends.
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #5 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 03:05am »

I own both an SLO 100 and a Jet City 50 (which is very close to the HR 50)

The JC 50 sounds a little more aggressive than the SLO but it has much less of the Magical Liquid Lead sound and much less of the 3D like overall feel that the SLO has.
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #6 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 04:53am »

The Jet City amps I'm sure are great amps but comparing them to any in the Soldano line is purely apples to oranges, i.e. Epiphone to Gibson.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 09:18am »

Well here's where I have to differ...
I up until recently had an '04 SLO in my practice area and did fair amount of recording with it... A friend lent me his JCA100HDM (retubed with Mesa and Tung-Sol)to test drive as well. I A/B compared them through all the same gear... And SOB they were actually quite close!
A month or so I was playing back some of the Soldano recordings for nostalgia's sake, and in the middle of my reverie, I noticed the date stamp on the recording... IT WAS AFTER THE SOLDANO WENT BACK TO ITS OWNER!!
I was duped by the tweaked JCA100HDM!!!
I am seriously going to talk to the owner of the one I test drove to see if he wants to sell it, as it was that close.
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #8 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 3:58pm »

Very interesting Phil! I will stick by my Epiphone to Gibson comparison guess though......Epi's are great guitars but when you play a Gibson you know the difference.

At any rate, I'm glad Mike teamed up to do the Jet City line.....nobody better to have with you when designing amps. I have no doubt they are close to the real deal.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 4:49pm »

LOL... It is a decent enough comparison... But every once in a while, an Epiphone will sneak off the line and equal it's wealthier cousin smiley
My brother actually has such a beast... Once I replaced the bridge and pickups with '59's and Pearly Gates, we both prefer the Epiphone!! 😜
But I have a feeling these occurrences are an exception to the rule
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xx Re: Soldano SLO 100 vs Soldano Hot Rod 50 - compar
« Reply #10 on: Aug 24th, 2015, 8:04pm »

Absolutely!! I used to have an Epi Les Paul that I sold and I wish I never did. It really was a great guitar. I upgraded the pickups and wiring harness, it sounded really good and played great. I don't have an Epiphone anymore but if I ever come across a real player I wouldn't hesitate to take it home.


Now that said, I have a Gibson USA Trad Pro 2 that I gutted. I changed the pickups, harness, tuners, etc. Everything to nickel. It is the best sounding guitar I've ever had. 9.6 lbs. It beats a R9 I used to have hands down. Not as pretty, but man does it play and sound good.
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