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xx New member and Hot Rod dilemma
« Thread started on: Feb 19th, 2015, 08:23am »

Hi Soldano family,

I am a new member and just dropped in to say hello to everyone. I am not a Soldano owner YET but looking forward to becoming one. Acquiring a Soldano amp has been a dream of mine ever since I first heard one played by Gary Moore. I was 16 back then and my biggest impression was how an amplifier of such high gain can sound so crystal clear. It’s something about the clarity of the distortion that doesn’t seam to be present in other brands. I can’t explain it but SLO owners know what I am talking about. Amps with such brutal distortion (Marshall, Peavey even Mesa) become muddy after a certain level of gain, Soldanos don’t! Every note rings out crystal clear, unless you suck at guitar.

I have started saving up to get one, hopefully within a year. Unfortunately here in the UK the only dealer I found is up north and there’s no one near by to test one out. So I have to make judgement based on YouTube videos.

I have found the exact sound I want my Soldano to produce in this video right here

link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOOEdU7hso

I do have the same guitar myself (Charvel style with Seymour TB4 on bridge). So the sound should be almost identical, If I plug mine there instead.

Now the two issues I am faced with are: wattage and model.

Model issue
The problem is that the original (pre +/avenger) HR50 has been discontinued and replaced by the HR50+ and the HR50 Avenger. Based on every single video I have checked on youtube none of them produce that Hard Rock 80’s high gain crystal clear midrange distortion as displayed in the video above with the original HR50. All of them are new age heavy/thrush metal distortion (Killswitch Engage, Alter Bridge etc ) style. I am looking for that old school 80’s rock distortion which is heavy but not so saturated and like 200 tons of gain.

Wattage issue
My other question is wattage. Based on the video it looks like the guy who plays the amp is in a bedroom. I will also use mine at bedroom level 70% of the time but I am planning on gigging on small to medium size venues. Should I stick with the 50W or should I go for 25W? I want to be able to “push” the amp in the gigs and hit the sweet spot, will the 25w be enough? At the same time I don’t want something that will make my neighbours “love me” when I turn it up slightly to get a decent sound. Does the 50w sound good at low volumes?

Looking forward to your inputs. Thank you in advance.

George
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xx Re: New member and Hot Rod dilemma
« Reply #1 on: Feb 20th, 2015, 7:22pm »

Want less gain? Turn down the gain. Soldano amps will do many ranges of gain for different types of music. I myself like to try different overdrive pedals though the normal channel. Overdrive channel can be tamed or balls out, depends on personal taste.

I have a HR50+, and while it sounds great cranked it also sounds good at any volume level. I have used a Bad Cat Unleash for some time now so I am always pushing the amp, but without it the amp still sounds nice at low volume.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 21st, 2015, 03:53am »

A few things:

- GM used his SLO on the clean/crunch channel with a Guvnor pedal in front. The clean/crunch channel sounds/feels noticeably different from the lead channel !
- I agree, that YT vid sounds great but beware: it wasn't recorded directly from the cab so the room this takes place has a huge influence on the endresult
- Something strange is going on; the amps gain is at 2.30 and yet there isn't thát much gain. My SLO definitely sounds more saturated/congested at that setting

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xx Re: New member and Hot Rod dilemma
« Reply #3 on: Feb 21st, 2015, 4:40pm »

Gary Moore also played a HR50 as well for smaller gigs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdwa7DIi_S4

And notice he cranks the mids for maximum cut and still has his signature Soldano tone like he does with his SLO .
Gary's gain tone comes from the Govnor pedal more than the amp itself.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 22nd, 2015, 4:19pm »

Thank you all for your response guys every help I can get is appreciated. It's quite an expensive amp so I need to be very picky and precise on what I want.

I spoke with Mike Soldano on the phone the other day for like 15-20 minutes. Great guy and he fed me with loads of information.
According to him the HR50+ and the HR50 Avenger are exactly the same amps with the the depth knob as the only noticeable difference. And of course the extra channel on HR50+. So if I want the same sound as the video I just keep the depth konb to 0 and play around with the EQ. Also the cabin the guy is using in the video is quite vital for that Hard rock 80s sound. It's a Randall cab with V30s

As far as the Gary Moore video, its funny as this was the first time I saw a Soldano in my life. GM was a huge infulence to me as a kid and when I first saw the Soldano amp behing him with that amazing sound I said I got to look it up. Then watched some other players playing them and that was it. Hooked up since then.

A question to Giga.

Now I am on debate on whether I should go for the HR50 or the SLO
Mike told me that I can always remove one of the power amps and make it playable at bedroom levels but I know the sweet spot for most amps are around 3-6. Will I be able to hear that SLO perform well at bedroom level with one tube removed? Will it sound good, cause most tube amps sound mushy and buzzy and you need to turn them up for them to start ringing out.

FYI: I play 80% at my house. I rarely gig!!


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« Reply #5 on: Feb 23rd, 2015, 09:43am »

When I was selling off my Marshalls to step up to soldano, I first went for a hot rod 50. I bought it brand new and absolutely loved it. However, I couldn't stop thinking about the SLO..........the one I've seen my favorite guitarists play. I ended up jonesing to try an SLO so bad, I sold my HR within a couple of months of owning it for a huge loss and bought an SLO. That was fall of 2005, and even though I wish I'd went for the SLO the first time, I have honestly never looked back. Best part is.....I have no GAS for any other amp - none for almost 10 years. Every time I plug in, it's that same feeling I got the first time I plugged in. Total sonic bliss. The SLO is my amp of a lifetime, and when others hear it and see it, the endless compliments on it are still going on to this day. I say, if you can do it, just get the SLO!!!! You'll end up going for one later anyway, if you are already questioning it. You'll end up saving money in the long run, and you wont' have that nagging question on your mind ("what's an SLO like?) Believe me, it DOESN"T GO AWAY. Even if you're just a bedroom player right now, you'll still find yourself turning it up to satisfying levels around the house, and who knows what you'll be doing in a few years. Either way, you won't regret it EVER.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 23rd, 2015, 6:40pm »

I would strongly consider the Hot Rod 25 if you are not regularly performing concerts where you can play loudly. Although I love the SLO-100 (and still own one),I'm not a "firm believer" that it sounds "like a SLO" at low bedroom/home volumes. It doesn't. That's the crux of the biscuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIcicqIfCM

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 9th, 2015, 2:44pm »

Hello.

I recently bought a SLO for the first time. Before that, I had a HR100+. I thought I wanted the SLO so bad since it's the legend, and honestly, I don't know that it's worth twice as much.

Please understand what I'm saying. I LOVE the SLO, but the HR100+ was amazing, and I really wish I hadn't sold that amp.

That being said, I have all of my other amps for sale since finally moving to Soldano. The only reason I'm keeping my Marshall is that it's an older one and I have an emotional attachment to it.

You will never want for another amp! Good luck!
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 9th, 2015, 7:14pm »

I thought I might chime in, since I played on that clip.

Yes, the room gives the sound a bit of ambience and yes, my Hot Rod does feels a bit dryer/less gainy than my friend's Hot Rod 50+, though I am 100% sure that there is no mod of any kind on my amp.

It was recorded on a bedroom level, maybe just a tad louder. I always felt that my particular amp kinda looses compression/bass and gets more midrange as you turn it up.

The eq was set a little awkward:

Gain 7
Bass 2
Middle 3
Treble 4
Presence 5

I also feel that as long as you keep the mids below noon it feels more greasy and easier to play. Bass doesn't add that much thump, I use it more in a way to compensate low end when the gain is below 4. I just crank the bass when I back down the gain to add more balance.

Treble never goes above noon in my case. Presence also gets bit grainy when pass 6.

Also I found out that little eq tweeks are very noticeable even on a loud gig, band situation.

As for the GM Hot Rod on that show, I've read somewhere that he used EVM12L speakers in his cabs. Maybe that explains cranked mids?
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 9th, 2015, 10:02pm »

Great points. I've always found EVs to be very mid heavy, as well as physically heavy 😀 treble always below noon for me too on a hot rod 50+ and an SLO. The SLO is more articulate to my ears with more string to string definition but with more complex overtones too. Both great amps - enjoy
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 19th, 2015, 04:28am »

on Feb 22nd, 2015, 4:19pm, gpapa31 wrote:
Now I am on debate on whether I should go for the HR50 or the SLO
Mike told me that I can always remove one of the power amps and make it playable at bedroom levels but I know the sweet spot for most amps are around 3-6. Will I be able to hear that SLO perform well at bedroom level with one tube removed? Will it sound good, cause most tube amps sound mushy and buzzy and you need to turn them up for them to start ringing out.

FYI: I play 80% at my house. I rarely gig!!



The Magic with the SLO really comes with the master at about 4 and above.
Pulling 2-tubes will lower the wattage to about 50 watts, but will do little to bring things down to bedroom volume (as 100 watt amps are only 3db louder than 50 watt amps)

Sounds like the amp for you is the HR 25
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 1st, 2015, 12:24pm »

From one Lynch fan to another, I can't thank you enough for your candour!
I have had a 2 month test drive of an '04 SLO, then the seller backed out.
Been contemplating a HR50+, but I think I need to hunt myself down a used SLO, as let's face it... There's no going back for me ??!!

on Feb 23rd, 2015, 09:43am, lynchfan6 wrote:
When I was selling off my Marshalls to step up to soldano, I first went for a hot rod 50. I bought it brand new and absolutely loved it. However, I couldn't stop thinking about the SLO..........the one I've seen my favorite guitarists play. I ended up jonesing to try an SLO so bad, I sold my HR within a couple of months of owning it for a huge loss and bought an SLO. That was fall of 2005, and even though I wish I'd went for the SLO the first time, I have honestly never looked back. Best part is.....I have no GAS for any other amp - none for almost 10 years. Every time I plug in, it's that same feeling I got the first time I plugged in. Total sonic bliss. The SLO is my amp of a lifetime, and when others hear it and see it, the endless compliments on it are still going on to this day. I say, if you can do it, just get the SLO!!!! You'll end up going for one later anyway, if you are already questioning it. You'll end up saving money in the long run, and you wont' have that nagging question on your mind ("what's an SLO like?) Believe me, it DOESN"T GO AWAY. Even if you're just a bedroom player right now, you'll still find yourself turning it up to satisfying levels around the house, and who knows what you'll be doing in a few years. Either way, you won't regret it EVER.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 4th, 2015, 09:20am »

Yeah, true story, but that is how it goes. Even for guitars, I find that if I settle for something I "kinda"want as soon as I have the cash, I always end up selling to fundraise for the one I really wanted in the first place. It is a money loss situation over the long run to not just get what you truly desire in the first place, even if it's way more expensive at the time. Get the SLO!
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 5th, 2015, 06:51am »

Don't forget the Hot Rod 50 will get you there right out of the both.



At least that's what the website description says....... undecided
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