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xx HR50 SLO Avenger
« Thread started on: Feb 10th, 2004, 04:44am »

Is the HR 50 made the same way ie parts and wiring etc the same as the SLO? Also how close is the high gain setting on the HR 50 or 50 XL and Avenger to the SLO?

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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #1 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 07:00am »

I have never played a SLO, but someone over the Huge Racks forum posted a couple of clips of a SLO and a HR50. Sounded scary close. I can't find the links, but I still have the mp3 files here. If DSP is working, I can upload them...
I recommend you trying both if you can, though.

Regarding wiring and parts, no they're not the same. But keep in mind that the SLO is totally overbuilt! They expensive DeYoung transformers, chassis mounted tube sockets, hermetically sealed mil-spec pots (Claristat and/or Alan Bradley) etc.
The other amps are still built just as good (if not better) than most boutique companies. You will find Mercury Magnectics transformers (also used by Bogners, Roccaforte etc), CTS pots, chassis mounted power tube sockets...
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #2 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 07:06am »

I've got a hr50 xl - the xl adds a tighter bottom end to the amp. I've tried a slo in person once and it was fantastic, I've also heard slo clips on here. I would say that the hotrod isn't exactly the same, but maybe 95% of the slo. They are not the same amp, but definately from the same family. I also reckon I could get a decent slo-ish tone out of the hotrod
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 07:11am »

Okay, if I remember correctly the SLO had stock Sovtek tubes, while the Hot Rod 50+ XL had russian KT66 tubes. Both recorded with the same setup using a Bogner 1x12" cab.
Note that one clip is louder than others, adjust the volume for a fair comparison. Maybe I should try to get the volume to the same level on all tracks?

Soldano SLO 100 Riff
Soldano Hot Rod 50+ XL Riff
Soldano SLO 100 Lead
Soldano Hot Rod 50+ XL Lead
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #4 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 07:22am »

NICE CLIPS,
I think I prefer the hot rod for the riff, but the slo slightly for lead. The hot rod seems smoother gainwise??
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #5 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 12:44pm »

on Feb 10th, 2004, 07:00am, proudmore wrote:
Regarding wiring and parts, no they're not the same. But keep in mind that the SLO is totally overbuilt! They expensive DeYoung transformers, chassis mounted tube sockets, hermetically sealed mil-spec pots (Claristat and/or Alan Bradley) etc.
The other amps are still built just as good (if not better) than most boutique companies. You will find Mercury Magnectics transformers (also used by Bogners, Roccaforte etc), CTS pots, chassis mounted power tube sockets...


Whether the HR's are quite there with some of the other boutiques, they certainly are better built than just about any amps in their price-range. Compare them to the Marshall JCM2000s, Mesa/Boogies, etc. and the HR's easily win for build quality, and tone IMO. (They do tend to trade off features to the other brands however.)

The lead circuit is the same between the SLO and the HR's, so they have the same gain and eq structure. They definitely come from the same background. However, there's no doubt that the SLO has more cut, more definition, and yet has a thicker meatier sound. The real question comes down to whether that and the overbuild of the SLO are worth the price tag.

I should also point out that the clean sounds are definitely different between the two channel HRs and the SLO. The HR's get just the crunch sound from the SLO. It seems like the HR's lack more there than on the lead channel compared to the SLO. Plus, the SLO does get an actual clean which I really like. (Many SLO owners complain about the clean, so this definitely isn't universal.)

If you have a choice between the two, play both and decide if the SLO is worth the extra money. If the SLO is out of your price range, just play the HR and enjoy it. It's a great amp in its own right. (...and don't listen to some of the SLO snobs that tell you that any of the other Soldanos "sound nothing like a SLO" because this isn't true. They all share a good portion of their lead channel sounds. The "extra" of the SLO is definitely dimishing returns.)
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #6 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 12:58pm »

I pretty much agree with you. I think the footswitchable clean channel alone make the SLO worth the price tag -- for $1800 used it's a steal!
For me, well... I haven't seen many Soldano amps in my life. Here, an used Boogie Mark IV is worth over $2000. I got a great deal on my HR and don't plan selling it (unless I can get a SLO, of course). I'd like to own other (different) amps, but for what it does, the Hot Rod is great.
It basically comes down to what you need. If you're looking for the Soldano gain channel, I think you will be fine with a Hot Rod (or Avenger).
The difference is obviously there, but that doesn't make the Hot Rod a bad amp. For it's price, it's a great amp.
Look for a Soldano dealer and try both if you can.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 1:07pm »

Well the store I went to only had an Avenger and Decatone in stock to try. Unfortunately the Avenger was a bit off. It had the loudest hum I've ever heard on an amp. The dealer went ahead and switched out the preamp tubes till we got most of the hum out of it. It still sounded pretty noisey...may have had more than one. Very hard to gauge what this amp sounds like since it was off. I didn't get to try the Deca, out of my price range and ran out of time.
I guess I'll need to compare some clips of HR50xl's and Avenger.
For those who own the Avenger or Hr50xl..are these amps typically noisey and I mean not just your average tube amp noisey. I have a single recto that in comparison is quiet as a mouse compared to the Avenger I tried. Thanks for your help.
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #8 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 1:12pm »

My HR50 is pretty quiet.
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #9 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 03:35am »

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My HR50 is pretty quiet.


same here - not noticed anything unusual - my plexi has more noise!
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #10 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 07:35am »

Those are awsome clips... If I had to choose between the XL mod and not having it, I would choose to have a HR without it... why? I heard that it actually CUTS some of the mids undecided! The Mid Frequinces are very important for cutting through in a band/live situation and help with most any soloing tone IMO... Maybe Im wrong about the XL...
I hope so, because its hard to find non-XL HRs nowadays
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #11 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 11:13am »

I'm going to do a clip with my hr50xl with some extra mids!!! I've not heard one without the xl mod, but I'm pretty sure mine could cut it live!
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #12 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 2:43pm »

Oh I dont doubt it smiley

I just would PREFER a non XL one... but Im interested in the mid-boost clips!

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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #13 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 5:44pm »

I wouldn't be too sure! My Hot Rod 100+ does not have the XL mod and I'm considering it! Soldano amps have boat loads of mids as it is, I could afford a slight drop in mids if it meant a slightly fuller tone and rounder bottom end.

I would do it for sure if I could switch it on and off...
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xx Re: HR50 SLO Avenger
« Reply #14 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 01:21am »

The XL mod only cuts the mids on the clean channel, to give it a cleaner, more scooped sound. Some people think this makes the clean channel sound too thin. There's plenty of mid-growl on the lead channel, even with the XL mod. wink
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