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Henry J. at Gibson has lost his sh_t.
Post by ryanmichael95 on Sep 24th, 2014, 4:40pm

Looks like Gibson is taking a steep nosedive. I love Gibson guitars, they are my favorite. With that said, the entire USA line is taking a trip up sh_t's creek.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-2015-les-paul-standard-electric-guitar

-$3759.00 street price for a standard?
-A headstock script that looks like a child drew it with a sharpie?
-A "zero fret" adjustable brass nut?
-Min E Tune on almost all models?

C'mon Henry, you're losing us. I can officially say that Gibson guitars are starting to suck. I know I won't be buying new, and am thankful the used market is there.

Any opinions from you guys?


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Post by Jakezor on Sep 25th, 2014, 10:17am

Most of those features seem nice, other than the ridiculous price increase.
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Post by heritage80elite on Sep 25th, 2014, 8:43pm

on Sep 25th, 2014, 10:17am, Jakezor wrote:
Most of those features seem nice, other than the ridiculous price increase.


Gotta agree. The logo is Les Paul's signature. How else is it supposed to look?
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Post by ryanmichael95 on Sep 26th, 2014, 04:59am

on Sep 25th, 2014, 8:43pm, heritage80elite wrote:
Gotta agree. The logo is Les Paul's signature. How else is it supposed to look?


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I prefer them like this. The way Ted McCarty and Les Paul intended. Yes that is Les Paul's signature from his later life, and I could get past it if they didn't have the "100" on there. It makes it look chicken scratch to me. And I'm not alone. The Gibson forums are blowing up over these changes, and I predict sales are going to go down.

As far as the big electrical box mounted to the back of the headstock for Min E Tune? No thanks, I'll tune my own guitar. The fact that they put them on all models except a few is ridiculous. So if you don't want it you have to take it off yourself and buy/install new tuners, or worse yet pay someone to do it for you if don't know how.

I guess the new brass nut isn't such a bad deal, if you are one of the people who take off Gibson's poorly cut nuts anyway and have a luthier install a properly cut one. But sometimes you come across a Gibson that doesn't need it. I myself am not a fan, and it would be a sure bet that I would have to spend money to have it changed. Another thing they should have not put on ALL models.

The price increase speaks for itself.

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Post by NickRoyale on Sep 26th, 2014, 3:44pm

I agree. Gibson should just do what they do. The Les Paul is iconic and my favorite guitar ever. The recipe has been extremely successful for what..? almost 60 years?

Don't mess with success!
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Post by alerich on Oct 18th, 2014, 12:22pm

I gave up on Gibson guitars several years ago. I'll likely never own another unless it's a gift. The early Epiphone Les Pauls that were manufactured by Samick (particularly the 1989 with the very attractive tapered open book headstock) are outstanding guitars. I don't miss my Gibsons one bit and for the price of a used Gibson Les Paul I can buy three of these Epiphones.

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Post by ryanmichael95 on Oct 23rd, 2014, 6:06pm

I did not know about those Epiphones! I must say that is the best looking headstock I've ever seen on an Epiphone.

It's not that I've given up on Gibson. They make very solid, great sounding and playing, beautiful guitars and always have. The QC is hit or miss any given year. There are some duds and some absolutely outstanding examples, with the latter being the more common of the two.

What I have a problem with is the forced changes across the entire line, and the ridiculous price increases. I understand R&D in any company, and the implementation of changes in select products. But to come up with radical changes and say "This is what you get, take it or leave it, and we're going to jack you on the price", is gonna cut the throat of the Gibson guitar company. I still say Henry is gonna have a wake up call this year when he sees his sales decline in astronomical amounts.

I really feel sorry for the dealers that are required to buy certain amounts of inventory that they are not going to be able to sell. At least sell and make a profit. Time will tell but I believe that is going to be the outcome, simply from the poor business decision making that is going on at Gibson. Henry had a great chance at charging full steam ahead after they came out on top of the government rosewood seizure fiasco. The 2015 lineup is not what was expected for sure. Just read the online forums.
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Post by JLB on Oct 30th, 2014, 6:45pm

29% increase in price across the board. I'm a native Tennesseean, here in Memphis where the semi hollow body guitars are made. I also spend time in Nashville where my daughter lives and the rest of the USA's and all Custom Shop pieces are made. HENRY is off his rocker. Increase price and lower production numbers, wow, insane. Good luck, I'll never buy another product from them. $5,000 in a totally customized ebony LP Standard finished by Joe Glaser in Nashville, can't TOUCH my Tom Anderson.

LB
BCM
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Post by ryanmichael95 on Oct 31st, 2014, 7:22pm

You Know JLB, I couldn't agree more. cool
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Post by alerich on Nov 7th, 2014, 12:34pm

In all fairness, though... just to put it in perspective many of us were saying the same thing about Gibson back in the 1980s about their price hikes then. Pricing themselves out of the market and all that. Of course, the quality was 100x better back then but they were coming out form under the Norlin cloud at that time. In the end, there are enough players out there who have to have "Gibson" on the headstock just as there were 30 years ago. Gibson has one of the strongest brands in any market or any product. Henry knows this.
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Post by cps7553 on Oct 29th, 2015, 10:06am

Carvin.
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Post by ryanmichael95 on Oct 30th, 2015, 5:28pm

Looks like Gibson has listened to consumers........everything is back to normal and from what I've seen at the stores, the quality is nice.