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should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 9th, 2010, 9:23pm

last year i tried to order my 'dream guitar'. prs refused to make it, so i'm considering having it made. i was going to spend around 3k to have my 'dream guitar'. so far, i bought this prs mccarty IRW on the 'bay for $1750 shipped (probably close to 4k out the door new). since then, i've upgraded it to the adjustable prs stoptail ($200) and have gotoh 15:1 white oval button vintage tuners on the way ($50). that's 2k spent so far. my estimate to have the nickel-silver frets removed and replaced with stainless steel is $500. the estimate to have the body refinished in bright white nitro is $500. i also want a tune-o-matic with string-through-body similar to my carvin's. that's $3k spent (probably will turn into $3500 after pickups and electronics) for my 'dream guitar'. here's my sloppy ms paint rendition of how it'll look. do you think it's worth it? here's the before and after:


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i got my carvin ct4m last week and it came out beautiful. i'm keeping it and playing the heck out of it (who says you can only have one main guitar?). you can see the similarities of what i'm looking for:

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Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on Apr 10th, 2010, 01:03am

explain why you want the modfications or specs specified? i like the colour, its like a dave navarro, the white works well on a prs.
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 10th, 2010, 10:46am

first off, stainless steel frets blow nickel-silver frets out of the water, imho, in both feel and durability. the prs stoptail has never been a good design to me, either. string through guitars have much more sustain available. i'd like to upgrade the electronics to the rs guitarworks super-pots. the mccarty pickups do nothing for me; i prefer the dragon IIs, but will probably go with a seymour duncan alnico pro/jazz combo. oh, and i don't like the look of keystone tuners on anything but a gibson. all in all, the mccarty is pretty far from what i want. but the wide-fat neck in indian rosewood is killer!
Re: should i build this?
Post by AngryGoldfish on Apr 10th, 2010, 12:11pm

I'm not trying to patronize, but why are you buying an expensive PRS so that you can take it apart and totally rearrange it?

I really am serious. And I'm certainly not meaning to be offensive. smiley
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 10th, 2010, 1:34pm

no offense taken. it's just that prs will not build my dream guitar, so the only other option is to have it built or go without.
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 10th, 2010, 1:39pm

here's the backstory:
prs will make private stock guitars, starting at $5-7k. not even sure if they'll do stainless steel frets either. they won't use 'jet white' on anything other than the dave navarro signature model. they also quit making the custom 22 because they've changed everything in the factory for the new 25th anniversary models (new headstock logo, neck binding, narrowfield pickups, etc). after putting a 50% deposit down (which was $300 more than that carvin's out-the-door price) last september and being told it would take 3 months (for a vintage natural color, already not getting exactly what i want), waited until february and was then told they wouldn't or couldn't do it. i got my money back and ordered the carvin. since then, got the mccarty for a pretty good deal on the 'bay. even with the nickel silver frets polished, the carvin with stainless steel frets still blows it away when it comes to the feel of the strings on the frets. the carvin has way more sustain than the prs (and any 10+ pound les paul i've ever played).

Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:13pm

on Apr 10th, 2010, 10:46am, guccieng wrote:
first off, stainless steel frets blow nickel-silver frets out of the water, imho, in both feel and durability. the prs stoptail has never been a good design to me, either. string through guitars have much more sustain available. i'd like to upgrade the electronics to the rs guitarworks super-pots. the mccarty pickups do nothing for me; i prefer the dragon IIs, but will probably go with a seymour duncan alnico pro/jazz combo. oh, and i don't like the look of keystone tuners on anything but a gibson. all in all, the mccarty is pretty far from what i want. but the wide-fat neck in indian rosewood is killer!


frets: agree
Bridge: def agree
Pickups: agree!!!!!!!!!!! (go for BKP's tho)
Neck: yeah i use to be a thin neck shred head, but those wide fats def have something

i say go for it, its looks like its gona cost you less than a top of the line Cu24. only thing to consider is that you're murdering an early mcarty wink and it'll kill resale, but if it truly is you're dream guitar, then that won't matter

angry, for a PRS this wasnt a bad deal at all, in fact it was excellent, also there's just something about that shape, sometimes you just gotta have a certain shape for your guitar and nothing else comes close..

mabye stripping back some of that polyester and thinskinning it will improve the resonance?

Re: should i build this?
Post by AngryGoldfish on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:38pm

on Apr 10th, 2010, 1:34pm, guccieng wrote:
no offense taken. it's just that prs will not build my dream guitar, so the only other option is to have it built or go without.


So you want someone else to build the perfect guitar from scratch?

I had the idea in my head that you bought the PRS in the hope that you would send it off to a luthier (or do it yourself) and have it modified completely. Which, to me, seems silly. But that's just my opinion - and I don't mean that to detract from your plans.

on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:13pm, tekbow wrote:
angry, for a PRS this wasnt a bad deal at all, in fact it was excellent, also there's just something about that shape, sometimes you just gotta have a certain shape for your guitar and nothing else comes close..

mabye stripping back some of that polyester and thinskinning it will improve the resonance?


That's fair enough. Maybe I'm just at a stage in my life where I don't really know what I want. Everyday my tastes change, so there is no perfect guitar. embarassed
Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:48pm

on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:38pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
So you want someone else to build the perfect guitar from scratch?

I had the idea in my head that you bought the PRS in the hope that you would send it off to a luthier (or do it yourself) and have it modified completely. Which, to me, seems silly. But that's just my opinion - and I don't mean that to detract from your plans.



That's fair enough. Maybe I'm just at a stage in my life where I don't really know what I want. Everyday my tastes change, so there is no perfect guitar. embarassed


no no thats fair enough mate, thats why i have three guitars and counting, they all do different specific things, im not a fan of one particular kind of music or having a do it all guitar because i dont think one guitsr can.

my strat with texas specials is getting a hell of a lot of hendrixy/SRV play atm
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 10th, 2010, 3:01pm

i'm not looking to have it done from scratch; it's modifying this one that i'm considering. as for 'murdering', yes it's been considered, too (along with the negative resale value). this isn't an 'early' mccarty; in fact, it's a 2005 20th anniversary (you can barely see the relief logo on the truss rod cover) that was bought new just last year. so there's some bareknuckle fans around here, huh?
Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on Apr 10th, 2010, 3:04pm

on Apr 10th, 2010, 3:01pm, guccieng wrote:
i'm not looking to have it done from scratch; it's modifying this one that i'm considering. as for 'murdering', yes it's been considered, too (along with the negative resale value). this isn't an 'early' mccarty; in fact, it's a 2005 20th anniversary (you can barely see the relief logo on the truss rod cover) that was bought new just last year. so there's some bareknuckle fans around here, huh?


i say murdering tongue in cheek smiley

ah well if its a 2005 go for it, and yup, i am a BKP fan, got a set in my mcarty oddly enough
Re: should i build this?
Post by AngryGoldfish on Apr 11th, 2010, 4:00pm

on Apr 10th, 2010, 2:48pm, tekbow wrote:
no no thats fair enough mate, thats why i have three guitars and counting, they all do different specific things, im not a fan of one particular kind of music or having a do it all guitar because i dont think one guitsr can.

my strat with texas specials is getting a hell of a lot of hendrixy/SRV play atm


+1

on Apr 10th, 2010, 3:01pm, guccieng wrote:
i'm not looking to have it done from scratch; it's modifying this one that i'm considering. as for 'murdering', yes it's been considered, too (along with the negative resale value). this isn't an 'early' mccarty; in fact, it's a 2005 20th anniversary (you can barely see the relief logo on the truss rod cover) that was bought new just last year. so there's some bareknuckle fans around here, huh?


Bareknuckles are indeed awesome.
Re: should i build this?
Post by hellboy on Apr 13th, 2010, 6:08pm

I'm sure you know... but there are lots of actual guitar builders out there. Could build you what ever you want.

She looks good as is.

Those mods will ruin any resale should that day come. A custom build will hold.

I'm always messin whith stuff too. Ruined plenty of guitars and amps.

My 2 cents, look long and hard at custom luthers.
Re: should i build this?
Post by crunchtone on Apr 18th, 2010, 8:48pm

Cool concept. I would say leave well enough alone, though- that's a lot of cash up on top- if she doesn't end up sounding like you hope though- esp. after 500 dollar X 2 or 3 modifications- that would be very disappointing.

I set up a guitar for slide once- thought I would never sell it. Fast forward 7 years and it is gone- original nut was trashed so needed to get new one. See a lot of custom.one-off guitars for sale on ebay and forums- it's sad.
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Apr 18th, 2010, 9:25pm

i hear ya. i value the feel of the guitar over the sound; the sound i can change, but the feel is what it is, and it's gonna take money to get it. i'm still undecided, but the cheesy ms paint up there still makes my mouth water... oh yeah, imagine indian rosewood pickup rings, knobs and switch tip...
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on May 17th, 2010, 8:37pm

update: going to sell the prs. i just got a hunk of east indian rosewood from gilmer in oregon and carvin just agreed to make me a one-off ct4m similar to the one i have with the neck wood i will supply! all for $1350 out the door (plus $105 for the neck blank)! lets see prs do that...
Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on May 18th, 2010, 03:56am

excellent, congrats man grin
Re: should i build this?
Post by AngryGoldfish on May 18th, 2010, 12:25pm

Cool, that's awesome!
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on May 20th, 2010, 7:11pm

got the wood! even the cat approves; check this out:

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Re: should i build this?
Post by tekbow on May 20th, 2010, 8:28pm

thats a gorgeous piece of rosewood
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on May 23rd, 2010, 10:25am

the prs is gone! guitar center gave me $1750 for it. i then walked out with this (brand new gibson les paul traditional pro):


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Re: should i build this?
Post by Shark Diver on May 25th, 2010, 5:52pm

There are white McCartys out there. They did a special run of cu22s and SCs and McCartys. It's just finding them.

I would look into Thorn, McNaught, PWE, Grosh, Suhr, Tyler, Huber, Schroeder, Tom Anderson, etc. long before I modded that. Most of these builders will build what you want, if they don't already have it.

Do you want the PRS scale? Some of the above do 25". Why change frets, pups, paint, bridge, etc. Necks are easy to match. String thru is also something some of the above builders would do. Add up your mods and the original cost and I don't think it's a good value compared to a custom from one of the above.


Check out these:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=723524&highlight=white

But if you can get exactly what you want, and want those birds on the neck then it would be worth it for you.
Re: should i build this?
Post by ryanmichael95 on May 25th, 2010, 10:07pm

on May 23rd, 2010, 10:25am, guccieng wrote:
the prs is gone! guitar center gave me $1750 for it. i then walked out with this (brand new gibson les paul traditional pro):


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Now you're talkin'! wink Now I'll see ya on the MLP forum as well?
Re: should i build this?
Post by Shark Diver on May 25th, 2010, 10:18pm

Man, I never even saw some of these post. So, disregard what I said. LOL


Sweet LP, and even sweet wood. That Carvin will smoke. Post pics when done.
Re: should i build this?
Post by hellboy on May 29th, 2010, 3:26pm

Dude now you got me thinking?

Let me get this straight, you can send wood to Carvin and they will use it for your guitar? Thats awesome.
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on May 29th, 2010, 3:58pm

on May 29th, 2010, 3:26pm, hellboy wrote:
Dude now you got me thinking?

Let me get this straight, you can send wood to Carvin and they will use it for your guitar? Thats awesome.


although carvin isn't a 'full custom' manufacturer, they are known to go to great lengths to accomodate their customers. they used to use customer supplied wood regularly, but a couple of years ago, from what i've been told, they stopped because of a bad incident with some customer supplied redwood (why you would want a guitar made of redwood is beyond me). the wood wouldn't carve well with their routing bits and basically 'chipped' away and destroyed the top of the guitar and the customer's hunk of wood. they were shy about it for awhile, but didn't give me any push-back when i asked. i'm also lucky that i'm next to one of the three carvin outlet stores, so i had a salesperson i could talk with face to face, and he dealt with the builders over the phone.
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Jul 28th, 2010, 7:39pm

it's finallly here!

and here's the pics:

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Re: should i build this?
Post by Shark Diver on Jul 29th, 2010, 12:32am

That's pretty kick ass. Congrats. So how's it sound/play?
Re: should i build this?
Post by JLB on Jul 29th, 2010, 11:13am

$500.00 for stainless steel frets is WAY too high. Most of my guitars are set up with those frets for much less. Joe Glaser in Nashville did my last Les Paul. He also has a PLEK machine too.

Save some money and time. Order a Tom Anderson Classic, Cobra S, or Drop Top and have it built EXACTLY like you want. The largest PRS dealer in the eastern side of the US is a bud of mine here in Memphis, Martin Music. I've played a ton of his guitars and he is an Anderson dealer too. He's all about PRS, but says the Anderson is finest guitar ever made. For a pure Strat, Tyler is the master builder no doubt.

JMHO,

LB
BCM
Re: should i build this?
Post by Leonardo on Jul 30th, 2010, 1:09pm

Wow! I just gotta say this whole thread is very cool. Cognrats on the new guitar, looks aewsome! shocked
Re: should i build this?
Post by guccieng on Jul 31st, 2010, 8:04pm

thanks, leo! aside from getting rid of the black plastic pieces, this is the guitar i could play everyday and forever. definately my number one!