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New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by MrYou on Mar 1st, 2010, 8:48pm


by Drew Lankford

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Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by Giga on Mar 2nd, 2010, 04:00am

I think it sounds damn nice for an amp that cheap.

Pity he doesn't show how the touch sensitivity is (few ampreviewers do btw).

Probably a nice platform for Technical experiments I guess...

Giga
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by ryanmichael95 on Mar 2nd, 2010, 5:53pm

really cool amp, for sure.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 2nd, 2010, 8:40pm

I can actually say i like it alot. I think it would be a great amp to use if you want that cheap old school vintage vibe without having to spend 3K for a boutique amp to get it.
And the build quality is damn nice to for being made in China. Some players just don't have the coin for high end amps even though they would love to have one.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by roodyrocker on Mar 2nd, 2010, 9:33pm

And he's using an EBMM Petrucci in Mystic Dream with it to boot. Nice! smiley
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 3rd, 2010, 4:12pm

I may make a few of you guys mad by saying this, but.....

Some parts of the whole "Jet City" thing kind of upsets me.

I at least wish Mike would not put the "Soldano" name on the front and back.

Don't get me wrong, I’m sure it sounds nice.

I just don't like to see a $300 Chinese amp with Soldano written on it. undecided undecided

Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm

You may have to get use to it because Mike is going to make a Killing off of the sales of these amps. All he has to do is design it,Not build it,and get a hefty profit from it because he's 1/3 owner of it.
And i firmly believe he will eventually sell Soldano off,but keep his custom shop open for custom work and the real SLO in the future.
What's going to happen is people will see the Quality build in these hand made amps from China that are inspected here in the U.S. before sold and say, "I can get the Soldano sound without paying 3K to 4K" and they will start selling like hotcakes.
The word is just starting to get out,wait until they really take off. Now i'm not saying they are a SLO cheap because there's only One Real SLO as we all know.
But now players are going to realize the JCA100H sounds almost identical to the Hotrod/Avenger amps at half the price. And the JCA100H has the Lead Gain of the SLO. Not Deyoung trannies,but the same curcuit and layout design.
Why would a player pay $2550 for a HotRod/Avenger new when thay can get a equalivent design for $899 with the SLO Gain from Jet City Amplification. Sure it's hand made in China and not in America, but damn they do sound really good.
To me they have that dirty Bad-Boy R-N-R sound of yesterday instead of the boutique perfect high-end sound that everyone already has now and currently uses.
Kind of like going back in time again for the not so perfect sound and making you fingers do the talkin. grin


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by fuzzyguitars on Mar 4th, 2010, 1:27pm

i think the amp sounds great!

that last clip demo sounds an awful lot like my slo in the mix.

i dunno what to think. i have never been into exclusivity, but it makes me wanna pic one up just to gig with!
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by iggs on Mar 4th, 2010, 2:56pm

Awesome sound but they have to do something about that goofy logo ...
makes the amp look like it should be on the shelves at Toys'R'Us ... rolleyes ... here, I officially offer to re-design it for free!
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 4th, 2010, 3:03pm

Doug @ JCA are offering different front grills. In different colors and metal grill. You can buy them for about $15 and just leave the logo off if you don't like them.
That's what i'll do when i pick one of those JCA100H amps up this week.
Check them all out at JetCityAmplification Facebook pics.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 4th, 2010, 3:22pm

on Mar 4th, 2010, 2:56pm, iggs wrote:
but they have to do something about that goofy logo ...


I agree, the logo is ugly and cheap looking.....

It is Chinese though undecided


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
You may have to get use to it because Mike is going to make a Killing off of the sales of these amps.



More power to him. I like the SLO and use it exclusively, but it bothers me that he is just another person outsourcing jobs to Communist China. angry


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
And i firmly believe he will eventually sell Soldano off



Maybe Peavey is interested? wink


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
What's going to happen is people will see the Quality build in these hand made amps from China that are inspected here in the U.S. before sold and say, "I can get the Soldano sound without paying 3K to 4K”



Then what’s the point of buying a Soldano ? huh






Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by fuzzyguitars on Mar 4th, 2010, 6:32pm

yeah

he may be cutting his own throat with the hot rod avenger business.

but level stratification is pretty common in business.

you offer product for all levels

low

med

high.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 4th, 2010, 6:59pm

I don't think the JCA amps are considered low-end because it's Hand Made in China and not in America. Hell, most amps made here in the U.S.A. are made mostly with foreign parts,just assembled here.
Once people see the quality boards and craftsmanship inside the JCA amps exactly like the HotRod/Avenger amps have , they will buy the JCA for over half the price of a HotRod/Avenger amps.
Mike would'nt put his name and reputation behind the JCA amps if they were cheap and a fire hazard.


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by MrYou on Mar 5th, 2010, 12:28am

So if we wanted to pair and compare, it looks like this:

JCA100H = Hot Rod 100+
JCA50H = Hot Rod 50+
JCA20H = Atomic 16

JCA2112RC = Astroverb 16
JCA5212RC = Lucky 13 + Reverb-O-Sonic Crunch?

PicoValve = THD Univalve
ZT Mini = 10lbs 200W Class A/B by ZT Amplifiers

Stealth ISO USB = Eminence designed ISO Cab with builtin USB

Lots of gain and effects pedals on the way!!??!!

It also appears they will offer a black metal and different colored front grills/baffles for $10 than just the standard blue+stripe.

All this info is on their Facebook page from NAMM.

To my ears, from the couple amps I've heard, they don't sound 100% like a Soldano, maybe 80%-90%.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 5th, 2010, 3:03pm

Told you I would start a ruckus by saying what I did earlier. I just haven’t seen any posts yet saying they do not like the Jet City Amps. So I thought I would be the first (and maybe the only one).

I don’t have a problem with Mike’s involvement on the Jet City stuff. He’s just trying to make a buck like everyone else in the world. I just don’t like the “SOLDANO” font on the front and back of these amps. I think it cheapens the actual USA model Soldano name. I would rather him leave the name off the front chassis and put “designed by Mike Soldano” just on the back. And not to write the word “Soldano” with the official Soldano amp font.

I don’t like Bogner stuff, but when they joined forces with Line 6, I thought the same thing.

I feel the same way about Gibson, Marshall and Fender. I think it cheapens their name by selling an affordable alternative that forces them to produce it overseas. I use Gibson guitars & I don’t have a problem with Epiphone, but they do not need to keep putting that goofy “Gibson” name on the Epiphone truss rod cover. Same goes for Marshall. Marshall was and still is the pioneer of rock amplification. Their Handwired and even their printed circuit board Vintage reissues are GREAT amps and sound wonderful, but the MG line is junk.

I know these companies (including Soldano) now have to do these things. If I were them, I would have to do it too. It’s just sad to see that you have to do this to stay afloat these days.


on Mar 4th, 2010, 6:59pm, JB6464 wrote:
I don't think the JCA amps are considered low-end because it's Hand Made in China and not in America.


The Vox Night Train is a 15 watt watts that is $500 (made in Vietnam)
The Egnater Rebel is 20 watts and $600 (Made in China)
The Orange Tiny Terror is 15 watts and $575 (Made in China)

These are just a few small tube heads also made overseas. I'm positive they use pretty cheap components made by cheap labor. I would think the 20 watt Jet JCA20H head made in China priced at $333 would be considered just by the sticker price sight a cheaper product compared to these don’t you? The Jet City 20 watt head costs 33% less than a 15 watt Vox tube head made in Vietnam!!! That sounds like a cheaply made amp to me.

$800 for a 100 watt head like the JCA100H sounds pretty cheap to me too.

You are right, these things will sell like hot cakes and Mike is going to make some serious money off these because they are cheap and sound pretty good for most “gainiacs” out there.

But China is a bad place. Despite the fact that they basically own us now, they treat their citizens terribly. They oppress their people by have extremely low work wages, bad working conditions and almost no restrictions on child labor. Their Communist government controls everything and offer the people little to no freedoms.

But hey, they sure do make a Jet City amp affordable to us Americans.

Lord knows we don’t want to have to spend more money on quality American products that keeps jobs and economic stability alive in these United States and would send a message to China that we don't like the way they treat their citizens and govern their country.

Let me clear, I do own gear made overseas. Mostly PA gear and small items like cords and such. But it was by force and not choice. Try finding some of that type gear that is still made here. Better yet, it’s even getting harder and harder to find anything in Wal-Mart or Lowe’s made here. I can guarantee you that I find out where something is made before I make any purchase and “buy American” first, even if it costs me more money.

I still prefer English made Celestions over US made Eminence Speakers; but I will not buy Chinese made Celestions unless I absolutely have to. It’s not that they sound bad, because they sound real good, almost indistinguishable. It just the principal of the matter………You dig?
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 5th, 2010, 6:24pm

:bamabluesboy wrote:
""I'm positive they use pretty cheap components made by cheap labor. I would think the 20 watt Jet JCA20H head made in China priced at $333 would be considered just by the sticker price sight a cheaper product compared to these don’t you? The Jet City 20 watt head costs 33% less than a 15 watt Vox tube head made in Vietnam!!! That sounds like a cheaply made amp to me.
$800 for a 100 watt head like the JCA100H sounds pretty cheap to me too.""


The JCA100H sells for 899. street price. But what your not seeing is that JCA has their amps hand made in China and the other Amps you mentioned are quickly mass produced and shoved out the door to the nearist dealer. I bet they don't have the quality control like JCA has and their charging more.
Take a stroll over to JCA website and look at the boards and craftsmanship. Pics don't lie and they look just like a Soldano U.S. made PCB to me in build.
Thick copper tracings,quality capacitors and resistors,and the pots/jacks are PCB mounted on the Soldano amps as well. So whats so cheaply made about them?
I would prefer an American build amp as well but it seems most American amp companies are charging way to much. Hell i can get a Point-To-Point Marshall handwired amp from Metroamp.com with the best of American Made Parts for $2500. It takes alot longer to build one of these than Mike's PCB amp and he charges $4000 for the SLO.
Other than the PCB,yes their hand wired. But guess what,Metroamp's are completely handwired to the exact specs of a Marshall with the best parts made right here in the U.S.A.
Why does Soldano charge so much more ? Because he can from the demand of the hype and people pay it.

Now that's where the JCA amps fit in. Mike is offering a quality build very simular to his Soldano amps but not exact. Nothing will be exact unless you use the exact same parts in the build. But they are 90% there and the PCB boards are spittin images of his HotRod/Avenger/Atomic builds.The trannies are very close as well,but true their not Deyoungs.
I still think in time mike will sell off the Soldano line and retire and keep his custom shop open for the real deals(SLO). Of course they will probably be $5000. for them and up once this happens.
I think what Mike's trying to do is give people the Soldano tones without having to pay ridiculas money. Hell you can get SLO clones made here in the U.S.A. for $1500. all day long and they sound 90% dead on as well. So he better start being competitive or people will stop paying his demand.
The only thing the SLO has special is the Deyoung trannies. People have already used his design in many clone amps out now. Now other amp companies can't use it without his permission,but clone amp builders don't need his permission because your building it for yourself and not as a amp company.
Check out C3amps.com,Granger amps, another example of quality built American amps for a fraction of what Soldano's asking and their Point-To-Point built.


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by ryanmichael95 on Mar 6th, 2010, 6:19pm

I really do think the Jet City line is a good idea...made in China, yuk, but the price.... grin. True, Chinese made amps are much less desireable than a U.S. built one.....I hardly think you'd find anyone to argue that point. But some people simply cannot pay 4 grand. So they end up with a Line6. We all know how cool that is. Getting close to SLO territory sound is unachieveble with a crap pile like that. I know, my first amp was a Line6. I just was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade a few times until I got to the mothership. But, with Mike doing the Jet City thing, all those people who were in Line6 land can now get a kick ass sounding amp that WILL come close to SLO territory. Chinese or not, to that particular guy, it will not matter. Bottom line, good idea IMO.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:11am

Maybe you guys need to go back and read my post more closely. I never said “I did not like the idea of Jet City Amps”. In my second post I even said “I do not have a problem with Mike's involvement”. I personally think Mike is a great businessman and has the perfect example of the American dream and capitalism. I like Mike & Bill everything about the Soldano company and product. The SLO is the only amp I use on stage these days.


I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but.......


My problem is with the “Soldano” logo on the front and back with the same exact font as the USA models. I simply think it cheapens the Soldano name a little.

I just whished they had left the "Soldano" logo off the front and simply put "designed by Mike Soldano” on the back.

I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons. People with far more business savvy than me. But sometimes you have to sacrifice something to keep something else a little more desirable.


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Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by Giga on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am

Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.

JCA would be crazy not to take maximum advantage of the fact such a well respected designer is involved.

It's the same discussion that has been going on with VHT/Fryette.

The people that are serious enough (and have the financial means) will buy a "real" Soldano anyway in the end and those in the know will recognize the real deal from a mile away.

No need to imagine it makes you someone special if you belong to the "real" Soldano family. It does not; it just proves you're willing to invest a lot of dough for something *you* think is worth it.

Opposite to that I'm 100% sure there are far and far better players than me secretly laughing about me for buying such expensive stuff and still be a very mediocre player.

Giga
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am, Giga wrote:
Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.Giga


Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 7th, 2010, 11:20am

And all great players are Not hung up on Boutique amps. Hell some of the best songs in R-N-R are recorded on cheap amps and guitars. It's all how you twist the knobs and All the gear put together that makes good tones.
Unless you crank the SLO above 6 on the master your not getting the Deyoung trannies really working. And most of all the tones in Soldano amps are coming from the preamp section.
So take away the Deyoung's or play the SLO at LOW VOLUMES on the Master and you might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H.
You can get 3 of them for that one SLO amp and tube them differently,mod them,or what ever makes you happy and get 3 different tones for $2700. and still have some coin left compared to 1 SLO at a starting price of $3700.
So if you don't play your SLO like it was meant to be played,"LOUD" your just wasting your time being a purist SLO tone lover.
For me it's about that Violin Lead Gain tones with clarity you get out of the SLO preamp Design that Hotrods and other amps don't have.
So when i hear the JCA100H mike designed for Jet City Amps, it has that same preamp design and tones. Of course the trannies are different but that's par for course.
I owned a SLO and side by side the JCA100H is 90% there. Even if it is made in China . I like them both for what they are. grin
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by ryanmichael95 on Mar 7th, 2010, 3:41pm

Ah, I guess everybody sells out at some point...I would too. With the Jet City thing, I'm sure Mike stands to make a boatload of money or he wouldn't do it. As long as he keeps his "real" amp line up and running in Seattle, I don't think there will be a problem. By this time, he has built up such a name that I don't think a tinkertoy amp with "design by Sodano" on the front would hurt his Soldano sales. Hell, I may even own one of these Jet City deals down the road someday. I can't say I'd never buy one, because I would. As long as I've got the real deal next to it, I'm good.

I don't think you're outnumbered, Bama....what you stated is your opinion and it's all good....I respect that and can totally see your point. At the end of the day, thank goodness Mike does have Seattle up and running.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin


I agree with you actually, i see the point in what you're saying although the difference between "designed by mike soldano" and "by Soldano" may be splitting hairs a little. but i do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc.

you could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal, but on the other side of it, that implies we buy soldano to own soldanos and not because they sound amazing.

personally, i'd like to see the name plastered over it a little less, they make enough of the fact that mike designs them on the website. But you know, i remember when i was starting, and having, say, the fender name in a small size on the headstock of my squire (i still have her bless) got me into the real guitar club, in my head anyway, got me that little bit closer to my heroes and made me practice more.

so if some 13 year old kid, whos parents maybe can't afford anything more, scraps and saves all his christmas, birthday, and paper round money together for a year, and gets a real 20W valve amp for what one of these costs, and loves it and feels the magic of the name on it, let him smiley

if he turns into fashion wearing latest craze hipster idiot, then we can lay into him lol

i should point out that i was considering one of these as a low wattage practice and small gigging amp, but decided no on the basis that a) i still can't find a u.k. dealer and b) im lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible. i disagreed with the olympics being held there andi disagree with the low money workers are paid and i disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Mar 8th, 2010, 11:32pm

on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm, tekbow wrote:
I agree with you actually, I see the point in what you're saying. I do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc. You could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal.

I'm lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible.

I disagreed with the olympics being held there and I disagree with the low money workers are paid and I disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..


Right on. I'm not alone. grin

I'm no fan of China. angry
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm

The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Mar 10th, 2010, 5:00pm

on Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily


yeah, i see your point, we are a picky lot, my objection to chinese stuff is purely moral though..

by all accounts the jet city amp is a stonker for the price.

i think its easy to have a go at cheap made instruments especially china etc. but look at the setup. the person is trained to do the job, they dont have enthusiasts building them. do the job well enough to get paid at the end of the day.

i think its the same with any mass produced item, the more you pay the more care is taken and the better the components used.

the only exception to the rule i think is japan, they may not have, say, a guitar enthusiast building guitars at tokai/dyna gakki for fender but what they do have is a culture of pride in their job even if it is a stage on a production line. they're going to do that to the highest standard and pass it on to the next stage. their real strength is consistency.

now, beware, im no trolling or trying to start a flame war..

i think on average a fender guitar (such as my own) built in japan, is a better guitar than a u.s. one. and here's the important phrase.. on average. take the 62 reissues. there are two equivalent models. one is around £1100 (MIA) and the other is £700 (MIJ). Now american ones, for the money, range from mediocre to "how come this didn't come out of the custom shop?".

ive played a lot of american strats and ive seen them run this range. japanese strats on the other hand range from "slightly better than an exceptional but not custom shop guitar" to merely "very good indeed". and always "worth way more than 700 quid". the consistency is there. i've played a load of jap strats and while ive preferred some over others, i've never played one i didnt like.

i might go so far as to say, fender japan are more the inheritors of leo's legacy than FMIC..? he wanted to get a solid good quality instrument out to the masses quickly and affordably.. the masses can't afford custom shop.

the best (and i mean best) u's' guitars are made by people who love doing it, where the production line is a little less er.. production line lol

PRS high end guitars are still like this, musicman are just unspeakably good. i really BTW like the new charvel production guitars lol which i believe are made by the jackson factory? anyway.. there you are grin
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on Mar 10th, 2010, 5:53pm

Yeah I agree.

You could pay roughly £550 for a Japanese Edwards Les Paul copy, but £350 for an Epiphone Les Paul copy... undecided

... the Edwards that I played was superior to any of the Gibson's I had experience with, simply because it was cheaper - and that made me respect it more.

When I pay £3000 I demand perfection. Gibson do not offer that. But there have been times when I was really impressed by a Studio Les Paul.

So like you said, it's hit-and-miss.

With drums, it's obviously a different type of production and maybe requires less care than an amplifier, such as the Jet City does. Which means the quality could differ, even though it may be from a factory down the road in China with the same unfit wages offered. I don't know.

I feel like I want to give China a go. Maybe if everyone trusted more, business would improve for them. Which could mean better services. I dunno.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by LIMETORD on Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm

I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am

Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

on Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.


i dunno.. i'd agree that there are guitars out there that aren't worth, say, 3k especially gibsons from about the early 90's to today (the inlays on them used to be full of filler..)

but i disagree with saying that cost, origin and manufacture date are, broadly speaking, irrelevant..

cost wise, a guitar that costs 3k may not be 3k's worth of guitar, but it doesnt mean its less good than a $500 guitar. i think by and large you get what you pay for, up to a point (PRS and Gibson im looking at you). its also doesnt mean a $500 dollar and under guitar is going to suck, you can get some amazing guitars new for this, but only on a case by case basis on a line and not with the consistency your going to get from a 2k guitar

origin, well, there's a reason companies outsource to xyz far east company. cheap labour and high output volume to service a market segment that is much bigger than the 2-3k market, at the cost of quality.. doesnt mean they all suck. see above. but in general they're not well made.

date of manufacture can be important, i would imagine with a company thats high end and started out hand making their guitars before they were forced, again by the necessity of increasing output volume, to move to semi production line, the earlier low output stuff would be better made and inspected. its how they build a reputation

i think you just have to judge everything on a case by case basis, high end or not however i think the chance of you getting a good guitar increases with the amount you are prepared to pay

i dont think theres anything wrong with the JCA amps, my objection to them is based on the ethics of the country where they're produced.. as i said before, wherever possible i'll choose to buy something manufactured virtually anywhere else than china. or burma. or underdeveloped nations in general where kids/low labour costs are being exploited for all they're worth


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by LIMETORD on Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm

I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Mar 20th, 2010, 06:22am

on Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.


+1 yeah, i posted on japanese stuff a bit further up this thread


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by shredheadpete on Mar 22nd, 2010, 12:47am

Anybody know what the loop level is on this sucker?

I kinda like the idea of a soldano(ish?) amp at a low price for gigs. I live and gig(alot) in Detroit/Flint/Pontiac area; I've had shit stolen, I've been rolled, actually had a gun pulled on 2 occasions....haulin' a $3000+ amp around here is kinda nerve racking to say the least.....

I have a couple 5150's for "bad neighborhood gigs" but really dont like em' for anything other than that one compressed metal tone they do.....

Show up to a gig with a j-city, a couple boss pedals, one of these new cheaper Ernie Ball guitars (you guys seen the sterling line?) wolfie special and maybe a cheap G&L tribute......CRANK IT, and jam some blues - funk - blue eyed soul - country - EVH madness, get paid and get the hell out......have less invested in the whole rig than one soldano amp......not worry to much about the liability.....and still have something close to the tone of the "real' rig at home ............for a working musician its.....bliss.....bliss......
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm

I've owned the JCA100H now for 2 weeks and it's a awesome amp and built just like the Avenger/Hotrod heads.
The loop is exactly like Mike's Soldano design,best for rack units. Pedals do work but not very clean sounding. Rack units sound awesome.
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. More gain than you will ever need and the Huge Trannies support many different types of output tubes.
After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .
Now i know it's not a SLO, nothing but the real thing can be a SLO. But this amp rocks hard and is worth every bit of the $899.00 price even though it's made in China.
My favorite arsonal now is the SLO and the JCA100H.Side by side they sound fantastic together and i don't care what people think about the JCA. They are awesome amps and designed by the man himself to give you awesome tones without spending $4000.

Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on Mar 23rd, 2010, 5:39pm

on Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am, tekbow wrote:
Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

In Ireland, actually. One of the shops in Dublin used to stock a few odd-balls every now and again. They had two of them. I played the Les Paul copy.

It was great, even better than a number of the top-end Tokai's I've managed to play. It had EMG 81's in it, which is not entirely my cup of tea, but nonetheless, it played, felt and sounded great.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by LIMETORD on Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm

I love my SLO-100, but I couldn't afford one new one...especially right now.

In regard to Edwards guitars. The Japanese guitars that I have owned or played (Ibanez RG Prestige,ESP Stephen Carpenter model,ESP Horizon,Jackson Stars Randy Rhoads model) are all flawless.

I'd bet that the quality of Edwards guitars is very high...akin to USA Jacksons,Hamers,Suhrs,etc.

Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am

on Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm, JB6464 wrote:
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .


Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Are you being serious?

I'm kind of offended that you'd say something so disrespectful about an amp that was designed by Soldano and that many people happily own, including myself.

If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm

on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Are you being serious? If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.


Yes, I was being sarcastic.

grin

I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on Apr 5th, 2010, 6:49pm

on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
Yes, I was being sarcastic.

grin

I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?


Soz man, I shouldn't of taken your response so seriously.

As much as I agree, I disagree at the same time. I mean, I own a Soldano - A fucking Soldano. Even if it's one of their cheaper models, I still feel a part of the family; I still proudly rave about it and feel adequate enough to post on the forums here, even though most of you are all experienced SLO users.

I think it will hurt the sales of the Avenger and HR, but I can't imagine it killing them. I mean, I bought one. Jet City weren't really as "hyped" back then as they are now, but still.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Apr 5th, 2010, 8:31pm

I own a SLO and gig it every week somewhere.


See My SLO
<--------------------



It's my favorite amp ever. Mike designed it and I'm very glad he did. I use it every day with a big 'ole grin on my face. grin

I like the entire "SOLDANO" USA line of products.

Just because Mike is involved with JCA does not automatically make me a fan of that brand. Mike dosen't know me and could probably care less about what I think anyway. I still don't like the Jet City stuff for a number of reasons.

I'm also tired of doing a search of "Soldano" on eBay and all that JCA stuff popping up. angry

Your alright AngryGoldfish. If your ever in the "Heart of Dixie" we can hang out. cool
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Apr 6th, 2010, 11:41am

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Maybe he should consider it. Almost everyone who has a Hotrod 100+ ends of selling it for the SLO anyways. It's never going to be a SLO so why take time away from creating a SLO II. grin grin grin
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm

I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:32pm

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:14pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. Jet City’s statement above is tell everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.



devils advocate here, i keep my stance on being interested in trying a JCA but i still have issue with the m being built in a country that exploits its population, however..

from a marketing point of view, it makes sense to say what JCA have said, every word of that may well be true, but marketing is as clever and devious in its wording as politicians.

whats going to sell more amps? These are just as good as Soldano amps but half the price? or these are budget soldanos?

im being won over to these, slowly, enough to want to try one. not enough to buy one, but really, if something sounds to good to be true..?


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Apr 6th, 2010, 2:18pm

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.


I've owned my JCA100H for 3 weeks now and it is amazing and built just like the Hotrod 100+. There are a few minor changes between the two like the speaker jack layout, no direct out,and depth knob.
But other than that it's basically the same,90% tone wise and i think the trannies are fine as well.
But i will be upfront and say it will Never Compete with the Real Deal SLO. The SLO is the Flagship of ALL Mike Soldano designs. Built better and is half hand wired and half PCB amp.
The parts used in the SLO are better and the trannies are the Best. But lets not BS each other either,It's $3700 and up new. Apples to Oranges in comparison.
To me the Hotrod 100+ and the JCA100H are almost identical is tones. Sure theres a slight difference because of the trannies, but not night and day.
All i was trying to say earlier in other posts is that why would a guy buy a Hotrod 100+ when down the road hes going to sell it and get a SLO.
You might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H for $800.00 and then see if the Soldano tones are for you, then move to the SLO when you have the cash and really want the Flagship of all Soldano designed amps.


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Apr 6th, 2010, 2:30pm

no no, i get what you're saying, and for most people who don't get exposure to soldano, its a good introduction.

main thing with your point about just saving up and getting a SLO is

a) im in the uk, and sounds great suck so bad at customer service and rip off prices its not even funny

b) i got my soldano because again im in the uk, there aren't many SLO's going second hand and even if they are they can command higher than new prices because of demand and supply, and i got a great deal on my amp from the one guy who had one.

c) its a big ask to say that someone with no soldano experience to outlay that kind of cash on something he might not like. the relative unavailability of JCA and soldano here makes that a big issue

and there's still something niggling me in the back of my head here about why it seems (and i emphasise seems) like mike is competing with himself in a lower price bracket. it doesnt make sense from the point of view of someone who seemingly stands by his product like mike does. i mean those guys were great with me and i didnt even buy my amp new. this could be much more profitable for him, which is good, but essentially cancels out the need for anything other than an SLO in his range. doesn't add up.

I hesitate to include this link, because i dont want to seem inflammatory and i realy don't intend it to be, but im treating the whole discussion now as an intellectual exercise instead of a Soldano owner POV vs a JCA owners POV. actually what im posting could apply to both sets of people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Apr 6th, 2010, 3:34pm

Good Points Tekbow, did'nt know Soldano's were so hard to get overseas.
I have read somewhere but can't remember where at this moment that Mike would sell his company for the right price and retire and build hotrods.
So that leads me to believe that possibly he is planning on a change of direction with Soldano amps.
If so, that would make since with getting involved as a part owner and designer for Jet Cty Amps. Once he designs the amps,others will build them and he still makes the good profits.
I also think he would keep a custom shop open where you could get his flagship amp and one a kind special amps/work.
Who knows, only time will tell what will happen.

Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Apr 6th, 2010, 3:41pm

i really hope this doesn't happen..

I've played since i was 10 years old with a 3 - 4 year break. i ended this break 2.5 years ago, and was fortunate enough to have a good job where i could afford to buy this type of gear, Soldano is just unequalled against anything i've bought or played, and i genuinely couldn't go anywhere else..

guess i better buy a bunch of SLO's so's i can flip em when they become collectors items after mike sells up wink

Soldano: the dumble of the future? laugh except without the crazyiness obscure contract clauses etc etc
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by 05Softail on May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm

The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us". I can't see one in my future. It is almost like somebody choosing to help Bugera copy their own amp, destroy the original amp's resale value, and then take a profit in the whole thing. Quite shady from a quick glance.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by bamabluesboy on May 4th, 2010, 4:45pm

on May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm, 05Softail wrote:
The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us".


I agree, the look of the amp alone is a turn off to me.

The Pico looks better, but I'd rather have a real THD.
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by AngryGoldfish on May 5th, 2010, 1:42pm

on May 4th, 2010, 4:45pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I agree, the look of the amp alone is a turn off to me.

The Pico looks better, but I'd rather have a real THD.


Who wouldn't? wink
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by JB6464 on Oct 3rd, 2010, 2:10pm

on May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm, 05Softail wrote:
The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us". I can't see one in my future. It is almost like somebody choosing to help Bugera copy their own amp, destroy the original amp's resale value, and then take a profit in the whole thing. Quite shady from a quick glance.


If looks was that inportant just take the chassis and put it in a SLO/Hotrod shell. It's the same size and specs and now it will look like the Black Face SLO's mike made of in a limited run. grin
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by sahlomonic on Aug 10th, 2011, 8:28pm

Just to re-open an older thread here. I own the JCA100H and have for 11 months now. I can tell you guys that this amp is the real deal and it is staying with me. I have gone through loads of amps over the past 3 years or so, and this one has definitely impressed me enough to finally keep in my stable! I've bought and sold: Peavey 5150, Marshall JCM 800 2203, Peavey 6505+, Carvin Legacy, Peavey XXX, and a few more. The Jet City just sings to me.

Drew's (FRPC) demos just don't do it justice, it sounds so much better in person. Now he has the overdrive circuit modded to full SLO specs, and sounds even better. I gig with mine regularly, as does FRPC, and have not had one single issue with it. I run mine through a Marshall Powerbrake, then to a Soldano cab with Scumback speakers (Greenbacks and G12H-30s).

No matter how much I praise the Jet City, I still want to do a fair bit of modding to it. I'll always have that bug in me, until some day I happen to get a real SLO wink

I think the Jet City amps have earned the right to bear the Soldano name on the front and back of the chassis. Its not your run of the mill Chinese copy; very well built and sounds AMAZING to boot. This was essentially an effort to get a piece of that Soldano tone for the budget minded masses. So many companies offer budget versions, why not Soldano?

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.


Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by Giga on Aug 14th, 2011, 2:05pm

I'm thinking of buying one to use as an experimental/modding platform to avoid too much tinkering with the real deal. So testing on the JC before applying it to my SLO

Giga
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by Rex on Nov 9th, 2011, 04:28am

New guy here.. Hi all....

I just read this thread and it now has me thinking... I was and still might buy a used HR 50 plus.. but if these Jet City amps sound that good then I just might buy a
JCA50H and save my money up until I can afford a SLO... I can't afford the SLO at this point in time.. but I can buy a JCM50H no problem....

I also like to buy everything I can made in the good old USA... but if I can save all that money why not just go for the "lower end" model until I can get the "real deal" is my thinking.....
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Nov 15th, 2011, 11:30am

mm the HR50+ is the real deal.. I mean The JCA's are excellent, I will admit having found and played them in the uk now, and they stand up to amps 3x the price etc, but they're not the same as a soldano. I honestly get "buy this until you can afford an SLO" but i think that's doing Mike's other amps grave injustice. the JCA overdriven and crunch sounds are brilliant, but the amps aren't as subtle or versatile overall as the full fat Soldys. As far as the HR 50+, i can get any sound out of it, with one EQ setting. Just needs a little knowledge on the application of your guitars tone and volume controls and a few choice pedals. either this or change your eq per song. The only thing i can't get is a clean spanking fender sound, but we don't buy em for that wink seriously though, a mate of mine borrowed my amp while i was at work, him being a much better player than me and was getting all sorts of jazz, blues, country etc out of it. said he couldn't believe it, has tried to buy it off me any number of times at ridiculous prices, but i won't part with it. I pointed him to the JCA's and he loved it, but said it just wasn't the same.

Still want an SLO though wink might look into it later in the year actually
Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
Post by tekbow on Nov 22nd, 2011, 2:12pm

don't think has been posted yet, interesting if not entirely balanced comparison.