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xx GCX and Ground control.....
« Thread started on: May 16th, 2010, 8:39pm »

Anybody use/used a GCX (or other style) midi switcher.....

I got roped into another band, I will need a wider variety of tones, the L-13 can handle the core of it, but I will need a lot of different modulations and reverb's and delays...also there will be a lot of club gig's so I need reliability and ease.

I'm about to pull the trigger on a G-force, GCX, and Ground control....which I think will be the easiest once I get it tweaked, just hit a button and BAM there's the tone I need......

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xx Re: GCX and Ground control.....
« Reply #1 on: May 17th, 2010, 09:37am »

there's the gigrig pro14 which can have midi control added as an option

http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/TheGigRig_Pro-14_BLack.html

http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/TheGigRig_Pro14_manual.pdf

there's also WOBO stuff like this guy on rig talk directed me to, he put up this link for his board

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18362

I'm looking at both of these as options as my pedal collection is taking up a lot of space at the minute
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xx Re: GCX and Ground control.....
« Reply #2 on: May 17th, 2010, 09:58am »

I would suggest a used or new G-System instead. It will be a simpler and easier setup to use and provides 4 loops and one insert/return loop. It should do everything you need. Just add a Line6 Variax locking RJ45 cable and high quality patch cables.

But unless you go with frontend pedals vs rack effects, you'll also need to add a +4db series loop to the Lucky 13. I would suggest sending it to Soldano for the mod.

Programming footcontrollers can be a pain, the G-System's is quality and ready to go.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17th, 2010, 7:51pm »

shredheadpete, why would you need a GCX and Ground Control Pro to run the G-Force? Couldn't you use just a plain midi board to switch patches? I used a GCX and a Ground Control Pro board when using some pedals through the front and others through the loop of my Bogner before. I had a relatively simple setup though and was just switching a few pedals on/off.
Currently i'm in the process of setting up a GigRig Pro 14 board for my pedals and its an awesome looking setup. High quality stuff but thats only if you're running multiple pedals. BTW, they also make a GigRig Midi 8 since GigRig was mentioned. The Pro 14 can handle 10 pedals, the Midi 8 can handle 6 pedals.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17th, 2010, 7:53pm »

Yeah I already have the loop added, the l-13 has been heavily reworked by the guys at soldano......

The G-system caught my eye, cheaper for sure.....It will have all the delays and verbs and modulation and I think the loops can be either in front of the amp or in the loop, so I could have a screamer and a comp in front....

This band has over 400 songs, classic rock, new wave,country, blues, current hits........I may have to do a delayed out ahh-ha tune followed by Rhianna, followed by rick derringer, followed by van halen.......in some cases covering keyboard, synth, guitar.....I gotta play mandolin and sing harmonies/leads too.......

What I'm really wondering, and that maybe you guys can shed some light on, is how much tweaking I'm gonna be getting into with a set up like that......its probably not possible to just show up, plug in and play, considering different volume's for different rooms and the normal eq adjustments......the previous guy ran a rackmout pod thru a vht power amp and used a midi board - he tweaked it all the time......
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« Reply #5 on: May 18th, 2010, 3:24pm »

Regarding volume, thats one thing I think is kinda neat with the G-Systems foot controller....

You can set your amp(s) Masters at your prefered highest setting then tweak the Global Volume of the G-System from the foot controller (out in front of the amp) to adjust the overall volume of the amp(s). Just tweak your amps EQ to the room if needed.

I emphasize amps (plural) cause I hope to have two SLO-100s one day, switching between all 4 preamp channels and using the power amps for stereo effects (like the new Doubler effect in the G-System, check out the demo on their site if you haven't).

I don't think you'll be tweaking nearly as much as a POD or modeling amp player would. It should be pretty plug-n-play, just adjusting the amps EQ and volume (conveniently from the G-System foot controller) and go!
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« Reply #6 on: May 18th, 2010, 10:19pm »

I think it makes a difference whether you are trying to emulate the sounds of all those bands you're covering vs. just tweaking effects to get the general feel of the song. If you are after fairly exact sounds for those bands then your best bet is probably going to be a Fractal Audio Axe Fx. It has all the effects, amps, etc... you could need. either way 400 songs is a lot of ground to cover for sure. I play in an 80's cover band but I don't aim for exact sounds of all the bands we play, its just too much work. As long as I have a good sound I'm good to go. I just add the needed effects to enhance the particular sound.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19th, 2010, 3:03pm »

Also regarding front-end effects, like me, you could try incorporating a TC Electronic Nova System in a G-System front-end loop. It also works well as a backup or grab-and-go analog preamp + effects + foot controller setup to run in front of an amp (such as a random clean amp or I may pickup a ZT Amplifiers The Club some day).
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« Reply #8 on: May 19th, 2010, 7:48pm »

Yeah I thought of the axe effects too, similar money, and it does sound good.....

Saw the band last night, the guitarists wife is 8.5 months preggo and big as a barn, she wants him done with the band pronto.....They did some pop tunes, Ke$ha, Rhianna, B.O.B, they do ones with more hip hop style production without flinching.....Black eyed peas, lady gaga, jason derulo.....the keyboard with the tripped out synth guitar sounded really cool......and there were chicks dancing (lots of em) on a monday night.......they do the normal bar band tunes too.....I sat in on a few......
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xx Re: GCX and Ground control.....
« Reply #9 on: May 20th, 2010, 09:43am »

Roody, tell me something. the Pro 14 has a seperate effects loop designed to feed into the amps effects loop right? now it also has trim controls for input and output levels.

given that most soldano's are line level, could you use the trim to cut the level going into a -10db pedal (say a stompbox chorus or delay) so it mathces, then boost it back up on the other side up to line level?
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« Reply #10 on: May 20th, 2010, 10:53pm »

on May 20th, 2010, 09:43am, tekbow wrote:
Roody, tell me something. the Pro 14 has a seperate effects loop designed to feed into the amps effects loop right? now it also has trim controls for input and output levels.

given that most soldano's are line level, could you use the trim to cut the level going into a -10db pedal (say a stompbox chorus or delay) so it mathces, then boost it back up on the other side up to line level?


I don't know that it can be used in that fashion but if you need something to run an instrument level stompbox into a line level loop, the Ebtech Line Level Shifter is a handy little box that does exactly that. It converts line to instrument or instrument to line level to correct those mis-matches for you. its also under $100.
I'm planning to use my GigRig to run all pedals through the front end of my amp in the various combinations that I want. The GigRig will also allow a solo boost smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 21st, 2010, 03:29am »

on May 20th, 2010, 10:53pm, roodyrocker wrote:
I don't know that it can be used in that fashion but if you need something to run an instrument level stompbox into a line level loop, the Ebtech Line Level Shifter is a handy little box that does exactly that. It converts line to instrument or instrument to line level to correct those mis-matches for you. its also under $100.
I'm planning to use my GigRig to run all pedals through the front end of my amp in the various combinations that I want. The GigRig will also allow a solo boost smiley


ah now i tried the line level shifter and it didn't work.. wasn't rally designed for fx loops, more PA gear and desks apparently..

a guy i know in the uk who is fairly tight with the gigrigs owner suggests it can be used like this, just wonderign if anyones tried it as it would be a handy feature in addition to hooking up combo's of pedals
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« Reply #12 on: May 22nd, 2010, 12:38am »

on May 21st, 2010, 03:29am, tekbow wrote:
ah now i tried the line level shifter and it didn't work.. wasn't rally designed for fx loops, more PA gear and desks apparently..

a guy i know in the uk who is fairly tight with the gigrigs owner suggests it can be used like this, just wonderign if anyones tried it as it would be a handy feature in addition to hooking up combo's of pedals


I tried the Ebtech Line Level Shifter in the loop of my Bogner Uberschall before. Seemed to do what they claimed. Problem with the Uberschall loop is that no matter what I ran through it, including the proper line level G-Major rack effects, it always seemed to take away from the tone and sustain. So I gave up on running anything in the Uberschall's loop.
As for the GigRig Pro 14, its a mighty expensive piece of gear if its going to be used mainly as a line/intrument level converter at over $1000 new shocked But if you plan to use it for the other functions along with that then its a killer piece of gear! I need to get a GigRig Evenflo which is their power connector for the Eventide stompboxes and then I'm ready to assemble my pedalboad. I Already have the George L's cable and ends waiting here along with a Trailer Trash pedalboard and ATA case to transport it all in smiley
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« Reply #13 on: May 23rd, 2010, 06:19am »

yeah i'm definitely not buying it just for that grin it would be a bonus if it did that, but i'm buying it for what it's supposed to be used for, i got god knows how many OD's and distortions, and the signal is starting to degrade thru the patch cables now
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« Reply #14 on: May 23rd, 2010, 6:06pm »

on May 23rd, 2010, 06:19am, tekbow wrote:
yeah i'm definitely not buying it just for that grin it would be a bonus if it did that, but i'm buying it for what it's supposed to be used for, i got god knows how many OD's and distortions, and the signal is starting to degrade thru the patch cables now


In that case the GigRig will work great for you! The other cool thing about the GigRig is that it can be used to boost your solos too smiley
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