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xx Soundproffing vs.
« Thread started on: Mar 5th, 2010, 6:56pm »

Hey guys, thought I would start a thread about soundprofing vs. other options. I have been through the low watt amp search, I feel soundprofing is the best option.

I play in a 80's cover band. We play out less and less due to family and work. But I practice daily and find the need to play at that volume. Guitar amps just respond better when run up to volume. We all know this. But if you add up all the money you spent on attenuators, speakers, low watt amps etc. it's most likely a sizeable amount.

I went all out. It's the best money I ever spent on guitar related items. You just need to be sure to stay where your at for a while for it to make finacial sence.

I stripped all the drywall in the room down to the studs to start. I sealed all the joints in the exterior siding and along all the studs and rafters with silicone sealant.

Then I installed a layer of mass loaded vinyl, covering everything. Including the floor.

I then covered the room with 3/4" drywall. Left 1/8" gap between all the seams and sealed that with silicone.

I installed resilient channel around the room and ceiling.

Then a second layer of 3/4" drywall staggering all the seams.

Then a layer of green glue and a finish layer of 1/2 drywall.

Then silicone all the gaps around the floor good.

Lay down 1/2" rubber gym mats and silicone any gaps.

I finished with hard wood flooring and paint. Put up Auralex panels and foam.

It was a lot of work, but the rewards are immense.

I can run any amp up as loud as I can take it.

I live in a populated modern development, and got to know the cops ( sound police ) by name. The whole project cost less than 2 new high end half stacks.

We ran my buddies 72 Marshall Superlead on full. I went outside and it sounded like faint radio, with an occasional bass kick. Nothing anyone would complain about. But in the room it was crazy.crazy loud. ( ear plug and headphone loud )

This is of course a bit of work. Just thought I'd through it out there. I can't imagine practicing any other way.

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« Reply #1 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 8:29pm »

the hardwood flooring doesn't flex while floating over the rubber gym mat?
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xx Re: Soundproffing vs.
« Reply #2 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 8:58pm »

man that's alot of work, but also extremely kick ass...i like it.
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 1:07pm »

I gotta tip my hat to you man, thats a helluva lot more work than I'd be willing to do.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 4:51pm »

on Mar 5th, 2010, 8:29pm, guccieng wrote:
the hardwood flooring doesn't flex while floating over the rubber gym mat?


Naw, I found this kind that is prefinished and sorta snaps together. It's like the pergo stuff, but its real wood and much thicker. Between the gym mats and flooring I put the regular underlayment. Guess I left that out.

A lot of work yes. But it's been a dream of mine for some time. I guess since my mon pounded on the walls to make me turn down when I was like 15.

The sound proofing is great for obvious reasons. The Auralex acoustic treatment made an incredible difference. Even just kickin back and listening to my stero. I really cant believe the difference.

But practicing at home at decent volume, knowing I'm not bugging anybody is a great feeling.

Soundproof does not exist however, my project turned out well for me. But if you play bass or down tuned 7, the low frequencies are the hardest to control. You may have to take further steps.

The room needed to be re-dry-walled to begin with. So I decieded to just go all out. Nothing would be worse than spending all that time and cheaping out, only to find it's no better volume wise outside than before.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 02:27am »

That's awesome. I used to be in a band where the drummer had a nice Roland electronic drum kit. The drum kit outs,direct guitars (using cheap Behriner V-Amp units),bass and vocals went direct through a small mixer and out to a headphone amp. We were able to practice late at night without annoying the neighbors.

That mass-loaded vinyl stuff is expensive!
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 2:58pm »

I guess this is where a Fractal Audio Axe Fx would come in handy. Cranked tube head tone at any volume you could want ranging from whisper quiet to full tilt smiley Plus you can play it in any room you want. Your sound proofing project is awesome though, a lot of work, but awesome!
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« Reply #7 on: May 1st, 2010, 09:25am »

Curious,

How big is this room? What did you do for the window? By thickening the walls I am guessing you had to do some things with your receptacles. Just need a microwave, dorm fridge, and Xbox 360 in there to have comeplete man cave....

I have a music room but without the soundproofing. I am also thinking about doing some sound proofing on my 2 car garage. Have a friend that put up the acoustic celing tiles on the wall to deaden sound, took some work for the mounting grid but looks and works well. Interesting thread.
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xx Re: Soundproffing vs.
« Reply #8 on: May 15th, 2010, 12:05pm »

on May 1st, 2010, 09:25am, 05Softail wrote:
Curious,

How big is this room? What did you do for the window? By thickening the walls I am guessing you had to do some things with your receptacles. Just need a microwave, dorm fridge, and Xbox 360 in there to have comeplete man cave....

I have a music room but without the soundproofing. I am also thinking about doing some sound proofing on my 2 car garage. Have a friend that put up the acoustic celing tiles on the wall to deaden sound, took some work for the mounting grid but looks and works well. Interesting thread.



The room is about 15 by 20.

Thickening the walls added all kinds of improve solutions. But for all the outlets I just kicked out the electrical boxes to where I estimated the final "grade" would be prior to doing any drywall. To seal them up well I built small box behind them and stapled many layers of mass loaded vinyl to it. Then sealed it all with duct seal puddy.

For the window I elected to cover it same as the rest of the room. First I put up a window shade same as all the others in the house wood slat style. Then I stapled many layers of mass loaded vinyl over it and drywalled as stated on the above post. From the outside it just looks like the lights are always out in that room. I took good measurements of where the window is so I can open it up if I ever sell the house.

The closet has been converted to house the A/C unit and ventilation through the roof. Above that is room where I keep the mini fridge and built in drawers for all my pedals, cables, strings etc.

Mass loaded vinyl is very expensive, and very heavy. But I didnt want to do all that work and say, I should have done the MLV .

As far as the garage how much is your budget. Do you need to be able to open the door and park in there, or store stuff? I originally was going to do the same thing in my garage. But mine is 3.5 car so I could have still left a 1 car spot open.

I would build a room within a room for that situation. Build new stud walls and ceiling at least 6" off the original frame. Set the bottom of the walls on sound stop clips. Double layer drywall (and MLV if you have that in your budget).

Or if you need to access the garage I saw a garage sound kit for sale somewhere on the net. 'Soundproof solutions' maybe?

Most of the sound transfered to the out side it through the structure of the house itself. If you can build a room within a room, that will cut down dractically. If you plan to band practice, the bass and kick drums will be the hardest to drown out.

The acoustic ceiling tiles will make it sound much better inside. As far as stopping sound, the only way to stop sound is mass and isolation.

If you need any help let me know. I weighed out many options before I did mine. Learned quite a bit in the process.

I cant imagine it any other way.


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xx Re: Soundproffing vs.
« Reply #9 on: May 16th, 2010, 09:59am »

What is soundproFFing? grin grin

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« Reply #10 on: May 16th, 2010, 12:04pm »

on May 16th, 2010, 09:59am, Teemunknee wrote:
What is soundproFFing? grin grin



the same as nit-picKKing!!! grin
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« Reply #11 on: May 16th, 2010, 4:08pm »

on May 16th, 2010, 09:59am, Teemunknee wrote:
What is soundproFFing? grin grin



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« Reply #12 on: May 16th, 2010, 6:39pm »

I was just kidding with you buddy smiley tongue

You're actually a lot better off than many people at mylespaul grin
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