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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #15 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 6:24pm »

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""I'm positive they use pretty cheap components made by cheap labor. I would think the 20 watt Jet JCA20H head made in China priced at $333 would be considered just by the sticker price sight a cheaper product compared to these don’t you? The Jet City 20 watt head costs 33% less than a 15 watt Vox tube head made in Vietnam!!! That sounds like a cheaply made amp to me.
$800 for a 100 watt head like the JCA100H sounds pretty cheap to me too.""


The JCA100H sells for 899. street price. But what your not seeing is that JCA has their amps hand made in China and the other Amps you mentioned are quickly mass produced and shoved out the door to the nearist dealer. I bet they don't have the quality control like JCA has and their charging more.
Take a stroll over to JCA website and look at the boards and craftsmanship. Pics don't lie and they look just like a Soldano U.S. made PCB to me in build.
Thick copper tracings,quality capacitors and resistors,and the pots/jacks are PCB mounted on the Soldano amps as well. So whats so cheaply made about them?
I would prefer an American build amp as well but it seems most American amp companies are charging way to much. Hell i can get a Point-To-Point Marshall handwired amp from Metroamp.com with the best of American Made Parts for $2500. It takes alot longer to build one of these than Mike's PCB amp and he charges $4000 for the SLO.
Other than the PCB,yes their hand wired. But guess what,Metroamp's are completely handwired to the exact specs of a Marshall with the best parts made right here in the U.S.A.
Why does Soldano charge so much more ? Because he can from the demand of the hype and people pay it.

Now that's where the JCA amps fit in. Mike is offering a quality build very simular to his Soldano amps but not exact. Nothing will be exact unless you use the exact same parts in the build. But they are 90% there and the PCB boards are spittin images of his HotRod/Avenger/Atomic builds.The trannies are very close as well,but true their not Deyoungs.
I still think in time mike will sell off the Soldano line and retire and keep his custom shop open for the real deals(SLO). Of course they will probably be $5000. for them and up once this happens.
I think what Mike's trying to do is give people the Soldano tones without having to pay ridiculas money. Hell you can get SLO clones made here in the U.S.A. for $1500. all day long and they sound 90% dead on as well. So he better start being competitive or people will stop paying his demand.
The only thing the SLO has special is the Deyoung trannies. People have already used his design in many clone amps out now. Now other amp companies can't use it without his permission,but clone amp builders don't need his permission because your building it for yourself and not as a amp company.
Check out C3amps.com,Granger amps, another example of quality built American amps for a fraction of what Soldano's asking and their Point-To-Point built.

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 6:19pm »

I really do think the Jet City line is a good idea...made in China, yuk, but the price.... grin. True, Chinese made amps are much less desireable than a U.S. built one.....I hardly think you'd find anyone to argue that point. But some people simply cannot pay 4 grand. So they end up with a Line6. We all know how cool that is. Getting close to SLO territory sound is unachieveble with a crap pile like that. I know, my first amp was a Line6. I just was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade a few times until I got to the mothership. But, with Mike doing the Jet City thing, all those people who were in Line6 land can now get a kick ass sounding amp that WILL come close to SLO territory. Chinese or not, to that particular guy, it will not matter. Bottom line, good idea IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:11am »

Maybe you guys need to go back and read my post more closely. I never said “I did not like the idea of Jet City Amps”. In my second post I even said “I do not have a problem with Mike's involvement”. I personally think Mike is a great businessman and has the perfect example of the American dream and capitalism. I like Mike & Bill everything about the Soldano company and product. The SLO is the only amp I use on stage these days.


I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but.......


My problem is with the “Soldano” logo on the front and back with the same exact font as the USA models. I simply think it cheapens the Soldano name a little.

I just whished they had left the "Soldano" logo off the front and simply put "designed by Mike Soldano” on the back.

I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons. People with far more business savvy than me. But sometimes you have to sacrifice something to keep something else a little more desirable.


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« Reply #18 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am »

Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.

JCA would be crazy not to take maximum advantage of the fact such a well respected designer is involved.

It's the same discussion that has been going on with VHT/Fryette.

The people that are serious enough (and have the financial means) will buy a "real" Soldano anyway in the end and those in the know will recognize the real deal from a mile away.

No need to imagine it makes you someone special if you belong to the "real" Soldano family. It does not; it just proves you're willing to invest a lot of dough for something *you* think is worth it.

Opposite to that I'm 100% sure there are far and far better players than me secretly laughing about me for buying such expensive stuff and still be a very mediocre player.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am »

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am, Giga wrote:
Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.Giga


Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 11:20am »

And all great players are Not hung up on Boutique amps. Hell some of the best songs in R-N-R are recorded on cheap amps and guitars. It's all how you twist the knobs and All the gear put together that makes good tones.
Unless you crank the SLO above 6 on the master your not getting the Deyoung trannies really working. And most of all the tones in Soldano amps are coming from the preamp section.
So take away the Deyoung's or play the SLO at LOW VOLUMES on the Master and you might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H.
You can get 3 of them for that one SLO amp and tube them differently,mod them,or what ever makes you happy and get 3 different tones for $2700. and still have some coin left compared to 1 SLO at a starting price of $3700.
So if you don't play your SLO like it was meant to be played,"LOUD" your just wasting your time being a purist SLO tone lover.
For me it's about that Violin Lead Gain tones with clarity you get out of the SLO preamp Design that Hotrods and other amps don't have.
So when i hear the JCA100H mike designed for Jet City Amps, it has that same preamp design and tones. Of course the trannies are different but that's par for course.
I owned a SLO and side by side the JCA100H is 90% there. Even if it is made in China . I like them both for what they are. grin
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 3:41pm »

Ah, I guess everybody sells out at some point...I would too. With the Jet City thing, I'm sure Mike stands to make a boatload of money or he wouldn't do it. As long as he keeps his "real" amp line up and running in Seattle, I don't think there will be a problem. By this time, he has built up such a name that I don't think a tinkertoy amp with "design by Sodano" on the front would hurt his Soldano sales. Hell, I may even own one of these Jet City deals down the road someday. I can't say I'd never buy one, because I would. As long as I've got the real deal next to it, I'm good.

I don't think you're outnumbered, Bama....what you stated is your opinion and it's all good....I respect that and can totally see your point. At the end of the day, thank goodness Mike does have Seattle up and running.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm »

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin


I agree with you actually, i see the point in what you're saying although the difference between "designed by mike soldano" and "by Soldano" may be splitting hairs a little. but i do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc.

you could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal, but on the other side of it, that implies we buy soldano to own soldanos and not because they sound amazing.

personally, i'd like to see the name plastered over it a little less, they make enough of the fact that mike designs them on the website. But you know, i remember when i was starting, and having, say, the fender name in a small size on the headstock of my squire (i still have her bless) got me into the real guitar club, in my head anyway, got me that little bit closer to my heroes and made me practice more.

so if some 13 year old kid, whos parents maybe can't afford anything more, scraps and saves all his christmas, birthday, and paper round money together for a year, and gets a real 20W valve amp for what one of these costs, and loves it and feels the magic of the name on it, let him smiley

if he turns into fashion wearing latest craze hipster idiot, then we can lay into him lol

i should point out that i was considering one of these as a low wattage practice and small gigging amp, but decided no on the basis that a) i still can't find a u.k. dealer and b) im lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible. i disagreed with the olympics being held there andi disagree with the low money workers are paid and i disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..
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on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm, tekbow wrote:
I agree with you actually, I see the point in what you're saying. I do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc. You could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal.

I'm lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible.

I disagreed with the olympics being held there and I disagree with the low money workers are paid and I disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..


Right on. I'm not alone. grin

I'm no fan of China. angry
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm »

The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily
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on Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily


yeah, i see your point, we are a picky lot, my objection to chinese stuff is purely moral though..

by all accounts the jet city amp is a stonker for the price.

i think its easy to have a go at cheap made instruments especially china etc. but look at the setup. the person is trained to do the job, they dont have enthusiasts building them. do the job well enough to get paid at the end of the day.

i think its the same with any mass produced item, the more you pay the more care is taken and the better the components used.

the only exception to the rule i think is japan, they may not have, say, a guitar enthusiast building guitars at tokai/dyna gakki for fender but what they do have is a culture of pride in their job even if it is a stage on a production line. they're going to do that to the highest standard and pass it on to the next stage. their real strength is consistency.

now, beware, im no trolling or trying to start a flame war..

i think on average a fender guitar (such as my own) built in japan, is a better guitar than a u.s. one. and here's the important phrase.. on average. take the 62 reissues. there are two equivalent models. one is around £1100 (MIA) and the other is £700 (MIJ). Now american ones, for the money, range from mediocre to "how come this didn't come out of the custom shop?".

ive played a lot of american strats and ive seen them run this range. japanese strats on the other hand range from "slightly better than an exceptional but not custom shop guitar" to merely "very good indeed". and always "worth way more than 700 quid". the consistency is there. i've played a load of jap strats and while ive preferred some over others, i've never played one i didnt like.

i might go so far as to say, fender japan are more the inheritors of leo's legacy than FMIC..? he wanted to get a solid good quality instrument out to the masses quickly and affordably.. the masses can't afford custom shop.

the best (and i mean best) u's' guitars are made by people who love doing it, where the production line is a little less er.. production line lol

PRS high end guitars are still like this, musicman are just unspeakably good. i really BTW like the new charvel production guitars lol which i believe are made by the jackson factory? anyway.. there you are grin
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 5:53pm »

Yeah I agree.

You could pay roughly £550 for a Japanese Edwards Les Paul copy, but £350 for an Epiphone Les Paul copy... undecided

... the Edwards that I played was superior to any of the Gibson's I had experience with, simply because it was cheaper - and that made me respect it more.

When I pay £3000 I demand perfection. Gibson do not offer that. But there have been times when I was really impressed by a Studio Les Paul.

So like you said, it's hit-and-miss.

With drums, it's obviously a different type of production and maybe requires less care than an amplifier, such as the Jet City does. Which means the quality could differ, even though it may be from a factory down the road in China with the same unfit wages offered. I don't know.

I feel like I want to give China a go. Maybe if everyone trusted more, business would improve for them. Which could mean better services. I dunno.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm »

I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am »

Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

on Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.


i dunno.. i'd agree that there are guitars out there that aren't worth, say, 3k especially gibsons from about the early 90's to today (the inlays on them used to be full of filler..)

but i disagree with saying that cost, origin and manufacture date are, broadly speaking, irrelevant..

cost wise, a guitar that costs 3k may not be 3k's worth of guitar, but it doesnt mean its less good than a $500 guitar. i think by and large you get what you pay for, up to a point (PRS and Gibson im looking at you). its also doesnt mean a $500 dollar and under guitar is going to suck, you can get some amazing guitars new for this, but only on a case by case basis on a line and not with the consistency your going to get from a 2k guitar

origin, well, there's a reason companies outsource to xyz far east company. cheap labour and high output volume to service a market segment that is much bigger than the 2-3k market, at the cost of quality.. doesnt mean they all suck. see above. but in general they're not well made.

date of manufacture can be important, i would imagine with a company thats high end and started out hand making their guitars before they were forced, again by the necessity of increasing output volume, to move to semi production line, the earlier low output stuff would be better made and inspected. its how they build a reputation

i think you just have to judge everything on a case by case basis, high end or not however i think the chance of you getting a good guitar increases with the amount you are prepared to pay

i dont think theres anything wrong with the JCA amps, my objection to them is based on the ethics of the country where they're produced.. as i said before, wherever possible i'll choose to buy something manufactured virtually anywhere else than china. or burma. or underdeveloped nations in general where kids/low labour costs are being exploited for all they're worth

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm »

I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.
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