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« Thread started on: Feb 8th, 2004, 01:36am »


OK we can start now, I have arrived !

Rivera - out; SOLDANO- IN !

guys I have a thousand questions but I seem to be beating a dead horse on the other boards, so I've narrowed it down to this,

Rivera - out. I don't think I'll have enough potential gain.
I don't care about super heavy newer metal styles, but I do care that I want to have more gain than I'll ever need, rather than needing everything I've got if I have a Rivera (according to what I've read, available gain is an issue aside from the Knuckehead)

Soldano - IN
so, questions:

1)HR-50 looks like the one for me. But what about the age of manufacture on the HR-50, are all HR-50's the same ? I see 2 on EBAY right now. Is there a way to know the age? I don't care as much about condition
as I do Design. For example did the late 1990's HR-50's, if they existed then, have any difference with the new 2003,2004 models?
(excluding the HR50+, don't need that unless it falls in my lap)

2) I see various SLO's on EBAY too. They're 100 W, too much for me, unless I can get good amp-only sweet
gain at reasonable stage volumes.
I also see on EBAY one thats a 60W SLO, is that right? If so is it really old, and are the innerds designed similar to new 100 Watters?

3) Avenger- new expensive. Probably out of the question. Unless it is so incredibly superior to an HR-50 or SLO-100.

hope you can help me get this straight. The biggest issue is age and the differences between design of new and old, of the same model.

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 04:18am »

Dude, I'd choose the Avenger. I picked mine up used in MINT condition for $1200. Not as expensive as a used SLO but a bit more than a used HR.

It's a very versatile amp for being only one channel. I can pull everything out of it from blues to AC/DC to ball kicking Metal!!!
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:55am »

Well... regarding the HR50, they're all the same as far as I know. The only difference is the XL mod, which is a bass boost or something? I'm not sure. Anyways, the XL mod became a standard for the HR series around '98 or so. If you buy a newer model, it will have the mod. If you buy an older model, you have to check behind the amp (it will say 'Hot Rod 50 XL' if it does have the mod).
If you can find the HR50+ for a good price (say... around $1000), I think it's worth the extra money.
I didn't really had a choice when buying mine (which is the single channel), but if you live in US you can see them on Ebay all the time. I like to think that single channel amps sound better, though. grin
I don't even know if mine has the mod. The serial number was erased (huh)...

About the SLO, there was a lower wattage version, I think. If I remember correctly, it's not the same as the SLO100 and it was made in japan. It should be avoided, or so 'they' say...
I think you can't go wrong with the SLO, but if you're buying a HR on Ebay, you can pretty much get your money back if you decide to sell it for a SLO.

The Avenger... can't say it sounds bad for two reasons:
1. It's a Soldano. wink
2. TU BE would post some clips and make me look like an idiot. LOL
But it doesn't have an effects loop, and it's a 100 watter.

BTW, Rivera are cool amps too. I was considering a Hundred Duo Twelve before I got my Hot Rod... smiley
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 12:57pm »

Here's how Soldano describes the XL mod...

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The XL voicing adds an all-new sound to an already incredible Soldano amplifier. For starters, we added a bass boost to the circuit that provides a wicked low-end punch. If you want huge bottom end rumbling, or if you simply crave tons of low E-string chug, this is the amp for you. What's more, we've revoiced the clean channel giving it a glassy top end and tight lows to produce a clear, ringing tone reminiscent of many of the classic American amps. Additional bottom and a sweetly refined top end are combined with modified midrange characteristics to create a channel that can twang, funk, rock or lay down that nasty Texas blues and propel your tone into another realm altogether. Available on the Hot Rod 100+, 50+ and 50 amplifiers, you now have a choice about how your Soldano will sound.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 3:10pm »

I've got a hot rod 50XL. Got a decent tone out of it as soon as I switched it on - no tweaking required! You know you've got a good amp when that happens.

Wonder what the diffferences are between the hotrod and the avenger??
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 6:58pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 01:36am, alanfc wrote:
2) I see various SLO's on EBAY too. They're 100 W, too much for me, unless I can get good amp-only sweet
gain at reasonable stage volumes.
I also see on EBAY one thats a 60W SLO, is that right? If so is it really old, and are the innerds designed similar to new 100 Watters?

3) Avenger- new expensive. Probably out of the question. Unless it is so incredibly superior to an HR-50 or SLO-100.


Since several here own the HR50 or HR50XL, I'll let them answer your questions on them. (I've spent a lot of time with one and played it live, but it's been several years.) I assume from your statement about the HR50+, that you only need one channel.

As to the SLO questions: yes, they are 100 W. They have plenty of gain. You can get nearly infinite sustaining high gain at conversation levels. However, they do sound best with some volume, like all tube amps. If you're playing in a loud rock band, you wouldn't have a problem with the volume or tone, I assure you. There's no such thing as a 60 W SLO. All SLO's are identical from the beginning of the company until now. Having said that, various factory modifications are common, but the guts are the same. (FYI, for all of you into single channel Soldanos, there are some single channel SLOs floating around that come up occasionally on ebay.)

I just found the Series II Super Lead 60 W ebay ad. It's part of the short-lived "Made in Japan" series of amps that include these heads and the original SP-77 preamps. It's seriously overpriced at $600. I'd stick with the HR50 if it were me.

I haven't tried an Avenger, so can't answer anything about it vs. other Soldanos. However, a new Avenger doesn't cost as much as the cheapest used SLO you'll find. I'm just double-checking where you are on values, here.

That's enough typing for now! wink
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 6:58pm, RMS wrote:
I haven't tried an Avenger, so can't answer anything about it vs. other Soldanos. However, a new Avenger doesn't cost as much as the cheapest used SLO you'll find. I'm just double-checking where you are on values, here.

That's enough typing for now! wink



thank you. For me its comes down to Note Definition. When I heard a tube amp for the first time, I mean in peoples' clips and as a shopper, I immediately heard more note definition. I ' m talking about definition within chords .(even our complex (!) 3pt power chords). All i've ever known is a solid state, where I had to sacrifice defintion to get gain. My chords have angry gain but are sonic mush. Lower gain settings on my amp get me dry clunky yucko but a slightly better definition of notes .

Last night I read Harmony Central reviews side by side, of the Rivera 30/40/55 Watt amps and the Soldano Hot Rod 50s. Most of the Rivera comments regarding gain were that once they got up there in gain, things got a little mushy. On the other hand , the Hot Rod 50 folks were quite the opposite. THis is where my values lie.

Examples, Jerry Cantrell/Rooster. Those growly heavy chords that vibrate and ring so incredibly. Also some Dave Murray/Maiden sounds have that too. do you know I mean when I hear this vibration in the power chords.? I don't know how else to describe it yet.... anyway I am not sure if its single coil pickups, tube amps in general, really good tube amps , or what.

I basically can only describe it as "shiny". Not Trebley necessarily, but sort of a ring to all notes in chords or in solos. Maybe this is the harmonics I always read about regarding tube distortion. The one other thing, is that I thought I liked the EL-34 sounds better than the 6L6 sounds I heard, but then, I heard someones clip on Harm Central about Soldano doing Metal, and I heard clarity that I thought only came from EL-34's. So this is a little confusing. the Hot Rod 50 has 6L6's correct.? My impression of the 6L6 sound, perhaps incorrect, is that its a lower rumbly boxey type of sound. Like Mesa boogie. I 'm totally lost on this power tube question. All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:12pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 10:55am, proudmore wrote:
The Avenger... can't say it sounds bad for two reasons:
1. It's a Soldano. wink
2. TU BE would post some clips and make me look like an idiot. LOL




Yeah I would, LOL!!! wink
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:14pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 3:10pm, Big Hair wrote:
I've got a hot rod 50XL. Got a decent tone out of it as soon as I switched it on - no tweaking required! You know you've got a good amp when that happens.

Wonder what the diffferences are between the hotrod and the avenger??


We ought to both record some clips using the same settings to compare. I think the only control the Avenger has that the HR doesn't is a depth knob.
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on Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm, alanfc wrote:
I basically can only describe it as "shiny". Not Trebley necessarily, but sort of a ring to all notes in chords or in solos. Maybe this is the harmonics I always read about regarding tube distortion. The one other thing, is that I thought I liked the EL-34 sounds better than the 6L6 sounds I heard, but then, I heard someones clip on Harm Central about Soldano doing Metal, and I heard clarity that I thought only came from EL-34's. So this is a little confusing. the Hot Rod 50 has 6L6's correct.? My impression of the 6L6 sound, perhaps incorrect, is that its a lower rumbly boxey type of sound. Like Mesa boogie. I 'm totally lost on this power tube question. All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition



I think as far as clarity goes, Soldanos are some of the best on the market. I actually prefer 6l6 type power tubes. They have more headroom and bottom end than the el34's. Actually, I think most (if not all) Soldanos come stock with 5881 which is basically a 6l6 with a bit more "brightness". I still have the stock Sov 5881's in my Avenger and I love the way they sound.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:19pm »


mr TU BE

hey, your posts popped up while I was typing my novel.

you have any thoughts on my questions?

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 9:43pm »

IMHO for note clarity and definition it's hard to beat a Soldano, period.

Also, with a tube amp, cranking it will NOT cause you to lose any of that. If anything it actually impoves it.

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 9:55pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm, alanfc wrote:
thank you. For me its comes down to Note Definition.

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All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition


Well, you've come to the right place then. I think most of us here would agree that note definition is one of the hallmarks of all Soldano designs. I don't believe that it's an inherent part of tube amps. The Mesa/Boogie distortion sound is big and turns power chords into one massive note: almost the opposite of definition, but a good thing in its own right if that's what you want.

I'm not very experienced with Riveras, but I do know that they have a wide variety of amps that are designed for radically different sounds: where there's definitely a "Soldano sound" that's common through the whole line, I don't believe there's a "Rivera sound" so different models will have significantly different lead sounds. Just to add to the confusion, check out some of the VHT reviews and clips. They're different from Soldanos, but have very good note definition too. (Yeah, I know it's a Soldano site, so I should push the brand! smiley )

My question was meant to narrow down what features you need and what your price point is. You mention the HR50, so I just wanted to make sure that a single channel amp works for you - no clean. Also, you mentioned the HR50 and SLO in the same sentence, but they're the extremes in price for Soldanos. Used, you're looking at ~$600(?) for an HR50 and about 3 times that for a SLO. I don't even know the new prices, but I know they're a fair bit more! grin
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:01pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 9:43pm, TU BE wrote:
IMHO for note clarity and definition it's hard to beat a Soldano, period.

+1! Loud and clear. grin
RMS is right. Tell us what do you want in an amp, feature-wise. Do you need clean tones? You mentioned using delay, so I suppose you want an effects loop.
The HR50 go for around $700-800 on Ebay. I think the HR50+ goes from $1000 and up. An used SLO will cost you between $1800-2200. What's your price range?

I'm seriosly thinking about buying a mic and recording some stuff. I'm a cheap bastard, though. I'll probably wait until I find an used 57. Thing is, I don't see used mics for sale so often... damn, I may just grab a Behringer XM2000 instead. I've heard great things about it. undecided
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:04pm »

Also, what kind of tones are you looking for? Can you give a few examples of songs with tone similar to what you're looking for?
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