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« Reply #6 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 6:58pm, RMS wrote:
I haven't tried an Avenger, so can't answer anything about it vs. other Soldanos. However, a new Avenger doesn't cost as much as the cheapest used SLO you'll find. I'm just double-checking where you are on values, here.

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thank you. For me its comes down to Note Definition. When I heard a tube amp for the first time, I mean in peoples' clips and as a shopper, I immediately heard more note definition. I ' m talking about definition within chords .(even our complex (!) 3pt power chords). All i've ever known is a solid state, where I had to sacrifice defintion to get gain. My chords have angry gain but are sonic mush. Lower gain settings on my amp get me dry clunky yucko but a slightly better definition of notes .

Last night I read Harmony Central reviews side by side, of the Rivera 30/40/55 Watt amps and the Soldano Hot Rod 50s. Most of the Rivera comments regarding gain were that once they got up there in gain, things got a little mushy. On the other hand , the Hot Rod 50 folks were quite the opposite. THis is where my values lie.

Examples, Jerry Cantrell/Rooster. Those growly heavy chords that vibrate and ring so incredibly. Also some Dave Murray/Maiden sounds have that too. do you know I mean when I hear this vibration in the power chords.? I don't know how else to describe it yet.... anyway I am not sure if its single coil pickups, tube amps in general, really good tube amps , or what.

I basically can only describe it as "shiny". Not Trebley necessarily, but sort of a ring to all notes in chords or in solos. Maybe this is the harmonics I always read about regarding tube distortion. The one other thing, is that I thought I liked the EL-34 sounds better than the 6L6 sounds I heard, but then, I heard someones clip on Harm Central about Soldano doing Metal, and I heard clarity that I thought only came from EL-34's. So this is a little confusing. the Hot Rod 50 has 6L6's correct.? My impression of the 6L6 sound, perhaps incorrect, is that its a lower rumbly boxey type of sound. Like Mesa boogie. I 'm totally lost on this power tube question. All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:12pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 10:55am, proudmore wrote:
The Avenger... can't say it sounds bad for two reasons:
1. It's a Soldano. wink
2. TU BE would post some clips and make me look like an idiot. LOL




Yeah I would, LOL!!! wink
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:14pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 3:10pm, Big Hair wrote:
I've got a hot rod 50XL. Got a decent tone out of it as soon as I switched it on - no tweaking required! You know you've got a good amp when that happens.

Wonder what the diffferences are between the hotrod and the avenger??


We ought to both record some clips using the same settings to compare. I think the only control the Avenger has that the HR doesn't is a depth knob.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:18pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm, alanfc wrote:
I basically can only describe it as "shiny". Not Trebley necessarily, but sort of a ring to all notes in chords or in solos. Maybe this is the harmonics I always read about regarding tube distortion. The one other thing, is that I thought I liked the EL-34 sounds better than the 6L6 sounds I heard, but then, I heard someones clip on Harm Central about Soldano doing Metal, and I heard clarity that I thought only came from EL-34's. So this is a little confusing. the Hot Rod 50 has 6L6's correct.? My impression of the 6L6 sound, perhaps incorrect, is that its a lower rumbly boxey type of sound. Like Mesa boogie. I 'm totally lost on this power tube question. All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition



I think as far as clarity goes, Soldanos are some of the best on the market. I actually prefer 6l6 type power tubes. They have more headroom and bottom end than the el34's. Actually, I think most (if not all) Soldanos come stock with 5881 which is basically a 6l6 with a bit more "brightness". I still have the stock Sov 5881's in my Avenger and I love the way they sound.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 8:19pm »


mr TU BE

hey, your posts popped up while I was typing my novel.

you have any thoughts on my questions?

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 9:43pm »

IMHO for note clarity and definition it's hard to beat a Soldano, period.

Also, with a tube amp, cranking it will NOT cause you to lose any of that. If anything it actually impoves it.

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 9:55pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 8:11pm, alanfc wrote:
thank you. For me its comes down to Note Definition.

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All I know is that based on reviews and the one clip I heard, that the HR50/Soldano sound is "it" for me.

So RMS, I guess the #1 thing I value is note definition


Well, you've come to the right place then. I think most of us here would agree that note definition is one of the hallmarks of all Soldano designs. I don't believe that it's an inherent part of tube amps. The Mesa/Boogie distortion sound is big and turns power chords into one massive note: almost the opposite of definition, but a good thing in its own right if that's what you want.

I'm not very experienced with Riveras, but I do know that they have a wide variety of amps that are designed for radically different sounds: where there's definitely a "Soldano sound" that's common through the whole line, I don't believe there's a "Rivera sound" so different models will have significantly different lead sounds. Just to add to the confusion, check out some of the VHT reviews and clips. They're different from Soldanos, but have very good note definition too. (Yeah, I know it's a Soldano site, so I should push the brand! smiley )

My question was meant to narrow down what features you need and what your price point is. You mention the HR50, so I just wanted to make sure that a single channel amp works for you - no clean. Also, you mentioned the HR50 and SLO in the same sentence, but they're the extremes in price for Soldanos. Used, you're looking at ~$600(?) for an HR50 and about 3 times that for a SLO. I don't even know the new prices, but I know they're a fair bit more! grin
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:01pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 9:43pm, TU BE wrote:
IMHO for note clarity and definition it's hard to beat a Soldano, period.

+1! Loud and clear. grin
RMS is right. Tell us what do you want in an amp, feature-wise. Do you need clean tones? You mentioned using delay, so I suppose you want an effects loop.
The HR50 go for around $700-800 on Ebay. I think the HR50+ goes from $1000 and up. An used SLO will cost you between $1800-2200. What's your price range?

I'm seriosly thinking about buying a mic and recording some stuff. I'm a cheap bastard, though. I'll probably wait until I find an used 57. Thing is, I don't see used mics for sale so often... damn, I may just grab a Behringer XM2000 instead. I've heard great things about it. undecided
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:04pm »

Also, what kind of tones are you looking for? Can you give a few examples of songs with tone similar to what you're looking for?
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:12pm »



thanks guys

I am pumped about the Note Definition comments ,

(great Avenger clips by the way ! Great playing)


I do not care about clean sounds

One Soldano channel is all I need. And my price range is for a used HR-50 up to a new HR-50 or maybe an Avenger. New or used SLO's are really out for me, unless I stumble upon some insane deal.

I do want make sure if I buy an HR-50 on EBAY that I'm getting the right model years with that XL mod already stock.

yes I mentioned a Delay and some kind of boost pedal for occasional solos, although in a 3- piece it won't be too hard to make out any solo parts I may bless the audience with.(?!)

I could check this, but does the HR-50 have an effects loop?

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:22pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 10:04pm, proudmore wrote:
Also, what kind of tones are you looking for? Can you give a few examples of songs with tone similar to what you're looking for?



hey- there must be some sort of delay with our connections here, keep missing stuff

anyway, I can't put my finger on any good examples-

I'm hearing in my head, and trying to reproduce a combination of : Angus Young, Randy Rhoads (Diary of a Madman sounds), older Meshuggah, and Dimebag. It sounds impossible but its playing in my head right now....

anyways, I can put the link to the two tunes I have up now and it may give you an idea. Warning: I'm not a singer by choice but by necessity. The guitars are with an SM-57 thru a VTB-1 and human doubles-triples-quadruples panned in a variety of ways with a few special FX in certain spots. Otherwise dry. With a solid state Marshall. I'm almost getting what I want recording-wise, but if you can imagine a Soldano sound in place of my current sound you can see why I want more note definition. And especially live, I will not stand a chance with what I have. Its just not an option, even in mic'ed venues.

here's my page if you dare;

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2962&alid=-1

I'll be using these and another 4-5 tunes to attract bassists and drummers to form a recreational weekend band with me. These songs may be changed and traded out for others in the coming months. The 1st one "Rolling " is a little too classic rock to me now, and the 2nd one "Battle" is a litte corny and about 5 bpm too fast. But its a start. These were older songs that I re-recorded on computer as a bit of practice. My new fresh ones I' m working on now are a bit heavier and a little more twisted.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:25pm »

on Feb 8th, 2004, 10:12pm, alanfc wrote:
thanks guys

I am pumped about the Note Definition comments ,

(great Avenger clips by the way ! Great playing)


I do not care about clean sounds

One Soldano channel is all I need. And my price range is for a used HR-50 up to a new HR-50 or maybe an Avenger. New or used SLO's are really out for me, unless I stumble upon some insane deal.

I do want make sure if I buy an HR-50 on EBAY that I'm getting the right model years with that XL mod already stock.

yes I mentioned a Delay and some kind of boost pedal for occasional solos, although in a 3- piece it won't be too hard to make out any solo parts I may bless the audience with.(?!)

I could check this, but does the HR-50 have an effects loop?

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Yes, the HR does have a loop. I think that if you only need one channle and you play rock or metal then either the HR or Avenger would be an excellent choice. Of course, the HR's are ALOT easier to find used than the Avengers.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:26pm »

Yes, the HR50 does have an effects loop. It also have a slave out.

I love the low gain input on the Hot Rod. The low gain crunchy tones are simply great! I also works great with pedals and boost. I wish I had the HR50+, because the low gain input on this thing really rocks, imo. I think you should look for the HR50+, even if you don't care much for clean. It will give you more options for dirty tones too. Do you plan buying from Ebay? I'd wait until a HR50+ pops up on the $1000 price range. That's right in between the price of an used and new HR50.
BTW, I think the HR50 goes for $1200 new and the HR50+ for $1800.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:35pm »

I'd really like to hear the HR50 vs. the Avenger. You really need to snag an SM57. They've got to be out there used. I have 3-4 of them that I bought used. You might also watch the GC ads. They drop the price to $79 for a new one fairly regularly. That's dirt cheap for a good microphone...and peanuts compared to the amps we're talking about.

I thought the HR50 was a bit more Marshallesque than the HR50+, which is based more on the SLO lead. The horrible thing is I've played both, but never at the same time, in different rooms, through different cabs, etc. (I just mentioned something similar on a thread on the HC amp forum.)
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 8th, 2004, 10:36pm »


proudmore-

I'm late again

see my comments and my link above


thanks for the notes on the HR's everyone
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