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xx Bogner xtc question
« Thread started on: May 14th, 2008, 08:06am »

This is from the bogner xtc manual

"On the front panel, left side, you will find 2 little switches called Excursion A and Excursion B. Excursion is our name for speaker cone travel, and damping factor, the less the cone will travel."


What does "less the cone will travel" mean. It sounds like theecstacy can control how much of the speaker to use which doesnt make sence to me.

On the bogner forums every one is calling the excursion switch a low mid/bass boost and bogner is clearly calling it something else.

Just want to know to make sure I am using it correctly
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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #1 on: May 15th, 2008, 09:10am »

Well Reinhold Bogner is insane so who knows what that exactly means. But he does make great sounding amplifiers thats for sure. Anyway, I would trust the people on the Bogner forum to better explain what that switch does over people on a Soldano forum.

This highlights one thing I dont like about the XTC. Too many goddamn switches. SLO is nice and neat and only has a few knobs. I think an amp should sound awesome with little to no tweaking. There is beauty in Soldano's simplicity.

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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #2 on: May 24th, 2008, 04:58am »

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I found my long gone XTC101B to sound its best when everything "full on". Within a band context, that is.
The XTC is a great amp, but I think all the options just degrade the killer tone this amp actually has.
(I did not like the clean-ch that much).
It's cool to "fine tune" an amp during recording, and some of the options for the XTC might see some action
in that situation.
The excursion A/B are some kind of boost. I can't remember which I liked the best. Probably the setting which gave the amp most "volume and kick".
"Less cone will travel"? That might be Bogners explaination of a more compressed tone.
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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #3 on: May 24th, 2008, 05:45am »

cone travel I found out meant how much more the speaker cone(center) travels back and forth. Obviously a low mid boost will really thump a speaker. I do think the bonger could loose the pre eq switches, or atleast change them to mid cut/off/mid boost instead of bright 1/off/bright 2
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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #4 on: May 24th, 2008, 07:59am »

on May 24th, 2008, 04:58am, TorbjornIsaksen2B wrote:
Hi.
I found my long gone XTC101B to sound its best when everything "full on". Within a band context, that is.
The XTC is a great amp, but I think all the options just degrade the killer tone this amp actually has.
(I did not like the clean-ch that much).
It's cool to "fine tune" an amp during recording, and some of the options for the XTC might see some action
in that situation.
The excursion A/B are some kind of boost. I can't remember which I liked the best. Probably the setting which gave the amp most "volume and kick".
"Less cone will travel"? That might be Bogners explaination of a more compressed tone.
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I actually much prefer the clean on my XTC to my SLO. The trick is to dime the volume and use the gain as a volume - actually quite Fender-ish when done this way.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24th, 2008, 09:09am »

Yeah, I used the suggested settings for the cla channel on xtc and it sounds great, very fenderish. The soldano is a great amp, but the xtc blows it away in my opinion
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« Reply #6 on: May 24th, 2008, 1:51pm »

on May 24th, 2008, 09:09am, carstenlange wrote:
Yeah, I used the suggested settings for the cla channel on xtc and it sounds great, very fenderish. The soldano is a great amp, but the xtc blows it away in my opinion


Yeah, I don't really play my SLO much since I've gotten my XTC. Kinda sad.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24th, 2008, 2:03pm »

I will never get rid of the soldano though, I am sure in 30 years those amps along with xtcs will be worth $$$$$$$
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« Reply #8 on: May 24th, 2008, 4:45pm »

on May 24th, 2008, 2:03pm, carstenlange wrote:
I will never get rid of the soldano though, I am sure in 30 years those amps along with xtcs will be worth $$$$$$$


Yeah, no doubt. I've always been able to make money selling my old amps and both of these amps are better than anything I used to own. I do really dig my Soldano, but I rarely get to crank it up loud enough for it to give up the goods...I use a boost to help with that now, but the XTC is just huge sounding...I like the SLO on 4 (thickens up and not as bright), but it's damn loud at that volume.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24th, 2008, 8:31pm »

on May 24th, 2008, 4:45pm, se7en wrote:
Yeah, no doubt. I've always been able to make money selling my old amps and both of these amps are better than anything I used to own. I do really dig my Soldano, but I rarely get to crank it up loud enough for it to give up the goods...I use a boost to help with that now, but the XTC is just huge sounding...I like the SLO on 4 (thickens up and not as bright), but it's damn loud at that volume.


Thats funny, I usually keep the gain around 5 but I can keep the amp aorund 4 or 5 for volume, I find it doesnt really kick in until 6 voulme wise.

I mean 6 is way mor louder than 5, and 5 is not to much louder than 4.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25th, 2008, 02:30am »

on May 24th, 2008, 8:31pm, carstenlange wrote:
Thats funny, I usually keep the gain around 5 but I can keep the amp aorund 4 or 5 for volume, I find it doesnt really kick in until 6 voulme wise.

I mean 6 is way mor louder than 5, and 5 is not to much louder than 4.

Hmm...4 on the volume is deafening for me...my ears will be ringing the next morning if I turn it up that loud...at least all night.
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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #11 on: May 25th, 2008, 03:47am »

on May 24th, 2008, 07:59am, se7en wrote:
I actually much prefer the clean on my XTC to my SLO. The trick is to dime the volume and use the gain as a volume - actually quite Fender-ish when done this way.
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Hi.
Yep, there you go. A matter of taste. wink
I really tried to like the XTC clean ch., and tweaked it every possible way I could.
When the cl-channel "broke up", it was kinda SS sounding. Edgy and harsh.
What it does well is a 100% clean tone, then you can find usable clean tones. It actually reminded me somewhat of my old long gone Fender Twin.
And, another case: The Soldano GTO would sound good through the Bogner clean-ch. This was a really cool match.

I like to have a clean ch-on the verge of break-up (like an old non master Marshall), and just adjust the guitar volume for cleaner tones.
In that case, I prefer the SLO. The SLO will have (IMHO) a much more natural break-up, and a woodier tone as well.
Btw, I've used the SLO set at the "crunch" setting, and (again) used the guitar volume for cleaner tones.
The SLO is a very transparent amp, touch sensitive, and cleans up great.
Just plug and play, no tweaking until summer afternoon to get to the best tones.

Talking about great "clean" tones, I much prefer these vs many high gainers out there:
Matchless C-30/SuperChief, VOX AC30HW/vintage, FenderBF Super, Bruno Cowtipper/Underground30, or just an old nice Plexi.

Btw, talking about the XTC. The blue-ch is KILLER.
Someday (if I would jump on a killer deal) I might grab a XTC based on the blue-ch alone. smiley

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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #12 on: May 25th, 2008, 03:57am »

on May 24th, 2008, 09:09am, carstenlange wrote:
Yeah, I used the suggested settings for the cla channel on xtc and it sounds great, very fenderish. The soldano is a great amp, but the xtc blows it away in my opinion
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Hi.
To each his own.
XTC "blows away the SLO"? rolleyesHmmmm.
These amps have a different tweak of great tones.
The SLO would easily remind you of a soupled up and cranked old Marshall.
The XTC has a much darker voice and sounds more compressed.

I sold off my XTC101B years back to get another SLO.
Why? For my taste I prefer the SLO vs the XTC based on:
1.TONE
2.Immaculate workmanship, parts, and bulletproof
construction.
I've never had ANY problems with the SLO's during years of gigging. Not even a blown fuse.
Sorry, but can't say the same thing about other $$$ amps out there.

Cool to hear that you like the XTC, as hundres of other guitar players out there. smiley
Aint that the point, to find "your amp" which flows your boat. Either it be a Bogner, Soldano, Marshall, Fender, or whatever.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25th, 2008, 2:52pm »

on May 25th, 2008, 03:47am, TorbjornIsaksen2B wrote:
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Hi.
Yep, there you go. A matter of taste. wink
I really tried to like the XTC clean ch., and tweaked it every possible way I could.
When the cl-channel "broke up", it was kinda SS sounding. Edgy and harsh.
What it does well is a 100% clean tone, then you can find usable clean tones. It actually reminded me somewhat of my old long gone Fender Twin.
And, another case: The Soldano GTO would sound good through the Bogner clean-ch. This was a really cool match.

I like to have a clean ch-on the verge of break-up (like an old non master Marshall), and just adjust the guitar volume for cleaner tones.
In that case, I prefer the SLO. The SLO will have (IMHO) a much more natural break-up, and a woodier tone as well.
Btw, I've used the SLO set at the "crunch" setting, and (again) used the guitar volume for cleaner tones.
The SLO is a very transparent amp, touch sensitive, and cleans up great.
Just plug and play, no tweaking until summer afternoon to get to the best tones.

Talking about great "clean" tones, I much prefer these vs many high gainers out there:
Matchless C-30/SuperChief, VOX AC30HW/vintage, FenderBF Super, Bruno Cowtipper/Underground30, or just an old nice Plexi.

Btw, talking about the XTC. The blue-ch is KILLER.
Someday (if I would jump on a killer deal) I might grab a XTC based on the blue-ch alone. smiley

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I don't know, I get a nice slight breakup out of the XTC clean and it is more tweakable and warmer...I disagree - I find the XTC clean quite a bit more woody than the SLO clean...not sterile at all...I do love the SLO for what it does, but as far as versatility goes it's not even close. The SLO is bright pretty much no matter how you tweak it and the FX Loop is a headache. If these two issues could be addressed it would probably get just about as much playing time, as I do love the overdrive and crunch channel.
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xx Re: Bogner xtc question
« Reply #14 on: May 25th, 2008, 4:08pm »

Yep.
The XTC has much more options, and is way more "versatile" with a bunch of switching options, boosts, pedalboard, etc....
But, look at it another way. What if you do not need all these "bells and whistles" to get great tone?
The SLO is killer for what it does, a straight forward and simple amp, with just two ch's.
It's a matter of playing style and what you just need to have from an amp.
If you play a set craving a huge array of diff. tones, the XTC might be "it".
If you play blues, rock and metal, and like to have just a pair of simple fx's, and tweak clean tones with your guitar, the SLO is more than enough. IMHO.

Btw, the newer XTC amps might be better on the clean-ch. The XTC101b amp which I used to play years back,
did not do that much for me. Actually I hated the clean ch with it's nasty break-up. Harsh, edgy and SS sounding. Sorry, I really tried to like it during approx one year of playing it. Back and forth, always back again with the SLO....

The SLO is a brigher amp vs the XTC. Thats for sure.
An old Marshall is also a brighter amp vs the XTC.
The brightness of the SLO is easily tweakable. Either with other tubes, or with speakers that will "tame" the brightness. No problems at all.
Within a band context I've found the SLO to be killer for cutting through in the mix. Through the PA, the SLO will have it's own voice. I guess I can't count all the "raves" about the great tone from the SLO after diff gigs. That's a cool thing at the end of the night. wink
At least, the SLO did not slice off any ears. grin

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