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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #6 on: Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm »

You may have to get use to it because Mike is going to make a Killing off of the sales of these amps. All he has to do is design it,Not build it,and get a hefty profit from it because he's 1/3 owner of it.
And i firmly believe he will eventually sell Soldano off,but keep his custom shop open for custom work and the real SLO in the future.
What's going to happen is people will see the Quality build in these hand made amps from China that are inspected here in the U.S. before sold and say, "I can get the Soldano sound without paying 3K to 4K" and they will start selling like hotcakes.
The word is just starting to get out,wait until they really take off. Now i'm not saying they are a SLO cheap because there's only One Real SLO as we all know.
But now players are going to realize the JCA100H sounds almost identical to the Hotrod/Avenger amps at half the price. And the JCA100H has the Lead Gain of the SLO. Not Deyoung trannies,but the same curcuit and layout design.
Why would a player pay $2550 for a HotRod/Avenger new when thay can get a equalivent design for $899 with the SLO Gain from Jet City Amplification. Sure it's hand made in China and not in America, but damn they do sound really good.
To me they have that dirty Bad-Boy R-N-R sound of yesterday instead of the boutique perfect high-end sound that everyone already has now and currently uses.
Kind of like going back in time again for the not so perfect sound and making you fingers do the talkin. grin

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 1:27pm »

i think the amp sounds great!

that last clip demo sounds an awful lot like my slo in the mix.

i dunno what to think. i have never been into exclusivity, but it makes me wanna pic one up just to gig with!
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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #8 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 2:56pm »

Awesome sound but they have to do something about that goofy logo ...
makes the amp look like it should be on the shelves at Toys'R'Us ... rolleyes ... here, I officially offer to re-design it for free!
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 3:03pm »

Doug @ JCA are offering different front grills. In different colors and metal grill. You can buy them for about $15 and just leave the logo off if you don't like them.
That's what i'll do when i pick one of those JCA100H amps up this week.
Check them all out at JetCityAmplification Facebook pics.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 3:22pm »

on Mar 4th, 2010, 2:56pm, iggs wrote:
but they have to do something about that goofy logo ...


I agree, the logo is ugly and cheap looking.....

It is Chinese though undecided


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
You may have to get use to it because Mike is going to make a Killing off of the sales of these amps.



More power to him. I like the SLO and use it exclusively, but it bothers me that he is just another person outsourcing jobs to Communist China. angry


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
And i firmly believe he will eventually sell Soldano off



Maybe Peavey is interested? wink


on Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:04pm, JB6464 wrote:
What's going to happen is people will see the Quality build in these hand made amps from China that are inspected here in the U.S. before sold and say, "I can get the Soldano sound without paying 3K to 4K”



Then what’s the point of buying a Soldano ? huh





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« Reply #11 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 6:32pm »

yeah

he may be cutting his own throat with the hot rod avenger business.

but level stratification is pretty common in business.

you offer product for all levels

low

med

high.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 4th, 2010, 6:59pm »

I don't think the JCA amps are considered low-end because it's Hand Made in China and not in America. Hell, most amps made here in the U.S.A. are made mostly with foreign parts,just assembled here.
Once people see the quality boards and craftsmanship inside the JCA amps exactly like the HotRod/Avenger amps have , they will buy the JCA for over half the price of a HotRod/Avenger amps.
Mike would'nt put his name and reputation behind the JCA amps if they were cheap and a fire hazard.

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 12:28am »

So if we wanted to pair and compare, it looks like this:

JCA100H = Hot Rod 100+
JCA50H = Hot Rod 50+
JCA20H = Atomic 16

JCA2112RC = Astroverb 16
JCA5212RC = Lucky 13 + Reverb-O-Sonic Crunch?

PicoValve = THD Univalve
ZT Mini = 10lbs 200W Class A/B by ZT Amplifiers

Stealth ISO USB = Eminence designed ISO Cab with builtin USB

Lots of gain and effects pedals on the way!!??!!

It also appears they will offer a black metal and different colored front grills/baffles for $10 than just the standard blue+stripe.

All this info is on their Facebook page from NAMM.

To my ears, from the couple amps I've heard, they don't sound 100% like a Soldano, maybe 80%-90%.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 3:03pm »

Told you I would start a ruckus by saying what I did earlier. I just haven’t seen any posts yet saying they do not like the Jet City Amps. So I thought I would be the first (and maybe the only one).

I don’t have a problem with Mike’s involvement on the Jet City stuff. He’s just trying to make a buck like everyone else in the world. I just don’t like the “SOLDANO” font on the front and back of these amps. I think it cheapens the actual USA model Soldano name. I would rather him leave the name off the front chassis and put “designed by Mike Soldano” just on the back. And not to write the word “Soldano” with the official Soldano amp font.

I don’t like Bogner stuff, but when they joined forces with Line 6, I thought the same thing.

I feel the same way about Gibson, Marshall and Fender. I think it cheapens their name by selling an affordable alternative that forces them to produce it overseas. I use Gibson guitars & I don’t have a problem with Epiphone, but they do not need to keep putting that goofy “Gibson” name on the Epiphone truss rod cover. Same goes for Marshall. Marshall was and still is the pioneer of rock amplification. Their Handwired and even their printed circuit board Vintage reissues are GREAT amps and sound wonderful, but the MG line is junk.

I know these companies (including Soldano) now have to do these things. If I were them, I would have to do it too. It’s just sad to see that you have to do this to stay afloat these days.


on Mar 4th, 2010, 6:59pm, JB6464 wrote:
I don't think the JCA amps are considered low-end because it's Hand Made in China and not in America.


The Vox Night Train is a 15 watt watts that is $500 (made in Vietnam)
The Egnater Rebel is 20 watts and $600 (Made in China)
The Orange Tiny Terror is 15 watts and $575 (Made in China)

These are just a few small tube heads also made overseas. I'm positive they use pretty cheap components made by cheap labor. I would think the 20 watt Jet JCA20H head made in China priced at $333 would be considered just by the sticker price sight a cheaper product compared to these don’t you? The Jet City 20 watt head costs 33% less than a 15 watt Vox tube head made in Vietnam!!! That sounds like a cheaply made amp to me.

$800 for a 100 watt head like the JCA100H sounds pretty cheap to me too.

You are right, these things will sell like hot cakes and Mike is going to make some serious money off these because they are cheap and sound pretty good for most “gainiacs” out there.

But China is a bad place. Despite the fact that they basically own us now, they treat their citizens terribly. They oppress their people by have extremely low work wages, bad working conditions and almost no restrictions on child labor. Their Communist government controls everything and offer the people little to no freedoms.

But hey, they sure do make a Jet City amp affordable to us Americans.

Lord knows we don’t want to have to spend more money on quality American products that keeps jobs and economic stability alive in these United States and would send a message to China that we don't like the way they treat their citizens and govern their country.

Let me clear, I do own gear made overseas. Mostly PA gear and small items like cords and such. But it was by force and not choice. Try finding some of that type gear that is still made here. Better yet, it’s even getting harder and harder to find anything in Wal-Mart or Lowe’s made here. I can guarantee you that I find out where something is made before I make any purchase and “buy American” first, even if it costs me more money.

I still prefer English made Celestions over US made Eminence Speakers; but I will not buy Chinese made Celestions unless I absolutely have to. It’s not that they sound bad, because they sound real good, almost indistinguishable. It just the principal of the matter………You dig?
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 5th, 2010, 6:24pm »

:bamabluesboy wrote:
""I'm positive they use pretty cheap components made by cheap labor. I would think the 20 watt Jet JCA20H head made in China priced at $333 would be considered just by the sticker price sight a cheaper product compared to these don’t you? The Jet City 20 watt head costs 33% less than a 15 watt Vox tube head made in Vietnam!!! That sounds like a cheaply made amp to me.
$800 for a 100 watt head like the JCA100H sounds pretty cheap to me too.""


The JCA100H sells for 899. street price. But what your not seeing is that JCA has their amps hand made in China and the other Amps you mentioned are quickly mass produced and shoved out the door to the nearist dealer. I bet they don't have the quality control like JCA has and their charging more.
Take a stroll over to JCA website and look at the boards and craftsmanship. Pics don't lie and they look just like a Soldano U.S. made PCB to me in build.
Thick copper tracings,quality capacitors and resistors,and the pots/jacks are PCB mounted on the Soldano amps as well. So whats so cheaply made about them?
I would prefer an American build amp as well but it seems most American amp companies are charging way to much. Hell i can get a Point-To-Point Marshall handwired amp from Metroamp.com with the best of American Made Parts for $2500. It takes alot longer to build one of these than Mike's PCB amp and he charges $4000 for the SLO.
Other than the PCB,yes their hand wired. But guess what,Metroamp's are completely handwired to the exact specs of a Marshall with the best parts made right here in the U.S.A.
Why does Soldano charge so much more ? Because he can from the demand of the hype and people pay it.

Now that's where the JCA amps fit in. Mike is offering a quality build very simular to his Soldano amps but not exact. Nothing will be exact unless you use the exact same parts in the build. But they are 90% there and the PCB boards are spittin images of his HotRod/Avenger/Atomic builds.The trannies are very close as well,but true their not Deyoungs.
I still think in time mike will sell off the Soldano line and retire and keep his custom shop open for the real deals(SLO). Of course they will probably be $5000. for them and up once this happens.
I think what Mike's trying to do is give people the Soldano tones without having to pay ridiculas money. Hell you can get SLO clones made here in the U.S.A. for $1500. all day long and they sound 90% dead on as well. So he better start being competitive or people will stop paying his demand.
The only thing the SLO has special is the Deyoung trannies. People have already used his design in many clone amps out now. Now other amp companies can't use it without his permission,but clone amp builders don't need his permission because your building it for yourself and not as a amp company.
Check out C3amps.com,Granger amps, another example of quality built American amps for a fraction of what Soldano's asking and their Point-To-Point built.

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 6:19pm »

I really do think the Jet City line is a good idea...made in China, yuk, but the price.... grin. True, Chinese made amps are much less desireable than a U.S. built one.....I hardly think you'd find anyone to argue that point. But some people simply cannot pay 4 grand. So they end up with a Line6. We all know how cool that is. Getting close to SLO territory sound is unachieveble with a crap pile like that. I know, my first amp was a Line6. I just was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade a few times until I got to the mothership. But, with Mike doing the Jet City thing, all those people who were in Line6 land can now get a kick ass sounding amp that WILL come close to SLO territory. Chinese or not, to that particular guy, it will not matter. Bottom line, good idea IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:11am »

Maybe you guys need to go back and read my post more closely. I never said “I did not like the idea of Jet City Amps”. In my second post I even said “I do not have a problem with Mike's involvement”. I personally think Mike is a great businessman and has the perfect example of the American dream and capitalism. I like Mike & Bill everything about the Soldano company and product. The SLO is the only amp I use on stage these days.


I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but.......


My problem is with the “Soldano” logo on the front and back with the same exact font as the USA models. I simply think it cheapens the Soldano name a little.

I just whished they had left the "Soldano" logo off the front and simply put "designed by Mike Soldano” on the back.

I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons. People with far more business savvy than me. But sometimes you have to sacrifice something to keep something else a little more desirable.


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« Reply #18 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am »

Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.

JCA would be crazy not to take maximum advantage of the fact such a well respected designer is involved.

It's the same discussion that has been going on with VHT/Fryette.

The people that are serious enough (and have the financial means) will buy a "real" Soldano anyway in the end and those in the know will recognize the real deal from a mile away.

No need to imagine it makes you someone special if you belong to the "real" Soldano family. It does not; it just proves you're willing to invest a lot of dough for something *you* think is worth it.

Opposite to that I'm 100% sure there are far and far better players than me secretly laughing about me for buying such expensive stuff and still be a very mediocre player.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am »

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:42am, Giga wrote:
Jeez, did you ever realize that the exact thing you're complaining about can be turned 180" ?
To you it cheapens the amp, to the potential buyers it "expensivises" (is that even a word?) the amp.Giga


Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 11:20am »

And all great players are Not hung up on Boutique amps. Hell some of the best songs in R-N-R are recorded on cheap amps and guitars. It's all how you twist the knobs and All the gear put together that makes good tones.
Unless you crank the SLO above 6 on the master your not getting the Deyoung trannies really working. And most of all the tones in Soldano amps are coming from the preamp section.
So take away the Deyoung's or play the SLO at LOW VOLUMES on the Master and you might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H.
You can get 3 of them for that one SLO amp and tube them differently,mod them,or what ever makes you happy and get 3 different tones for $2700. and still have some coin left compared to 1 SLO at a starting price of $3700.
So if you don't play your SLO like it was meant to be played,"LOUD" your just wasting your time being a purist SLO tone lover.
For me it's about that Violin Lead Gain tones with clarity you get out of the SLO preamp Design that Hotrods and other amps don't have.
So when i hear the JCA100H mike designed for Jet City Amps, it has that same preamp design and tones. Of course the trannies are different but that's par for course.
I owned a SLO and side by side the JCA100H is 90% there. Even if it is made in China . I like them both for what they are. grin
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