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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #37 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Are you being serious? If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.


Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?
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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #38 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 6:49pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?


Soz man, I shouldn't of taken your response so seriously.

As much as I agree, I disagree at the same time. I mean, I own a Soldano - A fucking Soldano. Even if it's one of their cheaper models, I still feel a part of the family; I still proudly rave about it and feel adequate enough to post on the forums here, even though most of you are all experienced SLO users.

I think it will hurt the sales of the Avenger and HR, but I can't imagine it killing them. I mean, I bought one. Jet City weren't really as "hyped" back then as they are now, but still.
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 8:31pm »

I own a SLO and gig it every week somewhere.


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It's my favorite amp ever. Mike designed it and I'm very glad he did. I use it every day with a big 'ole grin on my face. grin

I like the entire "SOLDANO" USA line of products.

Just because Mike is involved with JCA does not automatically make me a fan of that brand. Mike dosen't know me and could probably care less about what I think anyway. I still don't like the Jet City stuff for a number of reasons.

I'm also tired of doing a search of "Soldano" on eBay and all that JCA stuff popping up. angry

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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #40 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 11:41am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Maybe he should consider it. Almost everyone who has a Hotrod 100+ ends of selling it for the SLO anyways. It's never going to be a SLO so why take time away from creating a SLO II. grin grin grin
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm »

I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 1:32pm »

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:14pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. Jet City’s statement above is tell everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.



devils advocate here, i keep my stance on being interested in trying a JCA but i still have issue with the m being built in a country that exploits its population, however..

from a marketing point of view, it makes sense to say what JCA have said, every word of that may well be true, but marketing is as clever and devious in its wording as politicians.

whats going to sell more amps? These are just as good as Soldano amps but half the price? or these are budget soldanos?

im being won over to these, slowly, enough to want to try one. not enough to buy one, but really, if something sounds to good to be true..?

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« Reply #43 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 2:18pm »

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.


I've owned my JCA100H for 3 weeks now and it is amazing and built just like the Hotrod 100+. There are a few minor changes between the two like the speaker jack layout, no direct out,and depth knob.
But other than that it's basically the same,90% tone wise and i think the trannies are fine as well.
But i will be upfront and say it will Never Compete with the Real Deal SLO. The SLO is the Flagship of ALL Mike Soldano designs. Built better and is half hand wired and half PCB amp.
The parts used in the SLO are better and the trannies are the Best. But lets not BS each other either,It's $3700 and up new. Apples to Oranges in comparison.
To me the Hotrod 100+ and the JCA100H are almost identical is tones. Sure theres a slight difference because of the trannies, but not night and day.
All i was trying to say earlier in other posts is that why would a guy buy a Hotrod 100+ when down the road hes going to sell it and get a SLO.
You might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H for $800.00 and then see if the Soldano tones are for you, then move to the SLO when you have the cash and really want the Flagship of all Soldano designed amps.

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« Reply #44 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 2:30pm »

no no, i get what you're saying, and for most people who don't get exposure to soldano, its a good introduction.

main thing with your point about just saving up and getting a SLO is

a) im in the uk, and sounds great suck so bad at customer service and rip off prices its not even funny

b) i got my soldano because again im in the uk, there aren't many SLO's going second hand and even if they are they can command higher than new prices because of demand and supply, and i got a great deal on my amp from the one guy who had one.

c) its a big ask to say that someone with no soldano experience to outlay that kind of cash on something he might not like. the relative unavailability of JCA and soldano here makes that a big issue

and there's still something niggling me in the back of my head here about why it seems (and i emphasise seems) like mike is competing with himself in a lower price bracket. it doesnt make sense from the point of view of someone who seemingly stands by his product like mike does. i mean those guys were great with me and i didnt even buy my amp new. this could be much more profitable for him, which is good, but essentially cancels out the need for anything other than an SLO in his range. doesn't add up.

I hesitate to include this link, because i dont want to seem inflammatory and i realy don't intend it to be, but im treating the whole discussion now as an intellectual exercise instead of a Soldano owner POV vs a JCA owners POV. actually what im posting could apply to both sets of people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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« Reply #45 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 3:34pm »

Good Points Tekbow, did'nt know Soldano's were so hard to get overseas.
I have read somewhere but can't remember where at this moment that Mike would sell his company for the right price and retire and build hotrods.
So that leads me to believe that possibly he is planning on a change of direction with Soldano amps.
If so, that would make since with getting involved as a part owner and designer for Jet Cty Amps. Once he designs the amps,others will build them and he still makes the good profits.
I also think he would keep a custom shop open where you could get his flagship amp and one a kind special amps/work.
Who knows, only time will tell what will happen.
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« Reply #46 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 3:41pm »

i really hope this doesn't happen..

I've played since i was 10 years old with a 3 - 4 year break. i ended this break 2.5 years ago, and was fortunate enough to have a good job where i could afford to buy this type of gear, Soldano is just unequalled against anything i've bought or played, and i genuinely couldn't go anywhere else..

guess i better buy a bunch of SLO's so's i can flip em when they become collectors items after mike sells up wink

Soldano: the dumble of the future? laugh except without the crazyiness obscure contract clauses etc etc
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« Reply #47 on: May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm »

The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us". I can't see one in my future. It is almost like somebody choosing to help Bugera copy their own amp, destroy the original amp's resale value, and then take a profit in the whole thing. Quite shady from a quick glance.
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« Reply #48 on: May 4th, 2010, 4:45pm »

on May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm, 05Softail wrote:
The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us".


I agree, the look of the amp alone is a turn off to me.

The Pico looks better, but I'd rather have a real THD.
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« Reply #49 on: May 5th, 2010, 1:42pm »

on May 4th, 2010, 4:45pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I agree, the look of the amp alone is a turn off to me.

The Pico looks better, but I'd rather have a real THD.


Who wouldn't? wink
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« Reply #50 on: Oct 3rd, 2010, 2:10pm »

on May 4th, 2010, 12:46pm, 05Softail wrote:
The look of the JC is pretty "Toys R Us". I can't see one in my future. It is almost like somebody choosing to help Bugera copy their own amp, destroy the original amp's resale value, and then take a profit in the whole thing. Quite shady from a quick glance.


If looks was that inportant just take the chassis and put it in a SLO/Hotrod shell. It's the same size and specs and now it will look like the Black Face SLO's mike made of in a limited run. grin
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« Reply #51 on: Aug 10th, 2011, 8:28pm »

Just to re-open an older thread here. I own the JCA100H and have for 11 months now. I can tell you guys that this amp is the real deal and it is staying with me. I have gone through loads of amps over the past 3 years or so, and this one has definitely impressed me enough to finally keep in my stable! I've bought and sold: Peavey 5150, Marshall JCM 800 2203, Peavey 6505+, Carvin Legacy, Peavey XXX, and a few more. The Jet City just sings to me.

Drew's (FRPC) demos just don't do it justice, it sounds so much better in person. Now he has the overdrive circuit modded to full SLO specs, and sounds even better. I gig with mine regularly, as does FRPC, and have not had one single issue with it. I run mine through a Marshall Powerbrake, then to a Soldano cab with Scumback speakers (Greenbacks and G12H-30s).

No matter how much I praise the Jet City, I still want to do a fair bit of modding to it. I'll always have that bug in me, until some day I happen to get a real SLO wink

I think the Jet City amps have earned the right to bear the Soldano name on the front and back of the chassis. Its not your run of the mill Chinese copy; very well built and sounds AMAZING to boot. This was essentially an effort to get a piece of that Soldano tone for the budget minded masses. So many companies offer budget versions, why not Soldano?

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

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