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« Reply #29 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm »

I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 20th, 2010, 06:22am »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.


+1 yeah, i posted on japanese stuff a bit further up this thread

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« Reply #31 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 12:47am »

Anybody know what the loop level is on this sucker?

I kinda like the idea of a soldano(ish?) amp at a low price for gigs. I live and gig(alot) in Detroit/Flint/Pontiac area; I've had shit stolen, I've been rolled, actually had a gun pulled on 2 occasions....haulin' a $3000+ amp around here is kinda nerve racking to say the least.....

I have a couple 5150's for "bad neighborhood gigs" but really dont like em' for anything other than that one compressed metal tone they do.....

Show up to a gig with a j-city, a couple boss pedals, one of these new cheaper Ernie Ball guitars (you guys seen the sterling line?) wolfie special and maybe a cheap G&L tribute......CRANK IT, and jam some blues - funk - blue eyed soul - country - EVH madness, get paid and get the hell out......have less invested in the whole rig than one soldano amp......not worry to much about the liability.....and still have something close to the tone of the "real' rig at home ............for a working musician its.....bliss.....bliss......
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm »

I've owned the JCA100H now for 2 weeks and it's a awesome amp and built just like the Avenger/Hotrod heads.
The loop is exactly like Mike's Soldano design,best for rack units. Pedals do work but not very clean sounding. Rack units sound awesome.
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. More gain than you will ever need and the Huge Trannies support many different types of output tubes.
After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .
Now i know it's not a SLO, nothing but the real thing can be a SLO. But this amp rocks hard and is worth every bit of the $899.00 price even though it's made in China.
My favorite arsonal now is the SLO and the JCA100H.Side by side they sound fantastic together and i don't care what people think about the JCA. They are awesome amps and designed by the man himself to give you awesome tones without spending $4000.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 5:39pm »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am, tekbow wrote:
Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

In Ireland, actually. One of the shops in Dublin used to stock a few odd-balls every now and again. They had two of them. I played the Les Paul copy.

It was great, even better than a number of the top-end Tokai's I've managed to play. It had EMG 81's in it, which is not entirely my cup of tea, but nonetheless, it played, felt and sounded great.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm »

I love my SLO-100, but I couldn't afford one new one...especially right now.

In regard to Edwards guitars. The Japanese guitars that I have owned or played (Ibanez RG Prestige,ESP Stephen Carpenter model,ESP Horizon,Jackson Stars Randy Rhoads model) are all flawless.

I'd bet that the quality of Edwards guitars is very high...akin to USA Jacksons,Hamers,Suhrs,etc.
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am »

on Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm, JB6464 wrote:
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .


Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
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« Reply #36 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Are you being serious?

I'm kind of offended that you'd say something so disrespectful about an amp that was designed by Soldano and that many people happily own, including myself.

If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.
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« Reply #37 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Are you being serious? If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.


Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?
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« Reply #38 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 6:49pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?


Soz man, I shouldn't of taken your response so seriously.

As much as I agree, I disagree at the same time. I mean, I own a Soldano - A fucking Soldano. Even if it's one of their cheaper models, I still feel a part of the family; I still proudly rave about it and feel adequate enough to post on the forums here, even though most of you are all experienced SLO users.

I think it will hurt the sales of the Avenger and HR, but I can't imagine it killing them. I mean, I bought one. Jet City weren't really as "hyped" back then as they are now, but still.
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 8:31pm »

I own a SLO and gig it every week somewhere.


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It's my favorite amp ever. Mike designed it and I'm very glad he did. I use it every day with a big 'ole grin on my face. grin

I like the entire "SOLDANO" USA line of products.

Just because Mike is involved with JCA does not automatically make me a fan of that brand. Mike dosen't know me and could probably care less about what I think anyway. I still don't like the Jet City stuff for a number of reasons.

I'm also tired of doing a search of "Soldano" on eBay and all that JCA stuff popping up. angry

Your alright AngryGoldfish. If your ever in the "Heart of Dixie" we can hang out. cool
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« Reply #40 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 11:41am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Maybe he should consider it. Almost everyone who has a Hotrod 100+ ends of selling it for the SLO anyways. It's never going to be a SLO so why take time away from creating a SLO II. grin grin grin
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm »

I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 1:32pm »

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:14pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. Jet City’s statement above is tell everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.



devils advocate here, i keep my stance on being interested in trying a JCA but i still have issue with the m being built in a country that exploits its population, however..

from a marketing point of view, it makes sense to say what JCA have said, every word of that may well be true, but marketing is as clever and devious in its wording as politicians.

whats going to sell more amps? These are just as good as Soldano amps but half the price? or these are budget soldanos?

im being won over to these, slowly, enough to want to try one. not enough to buy one, but really, if something sounds to good to be true..?

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« Reply #43 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 2:18pm »

on Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.


I've owned my JCA100H for 3 weeks now and it is amazing and built just like the Hotrod 100+. There are a few minor changes between the two like the speaker jack layout, no direct out,and depth knob.
But other than that it's basically the same,90% tone wise and i think the trannies are fine as well.
But i will be upfront and say it will Never Compete with the Real Deal SLO. The SLO is the Flagship of ALL Mike Soldano designs. Built better and is half hand wired and half PCB amp.
The parts used in the SLO are better and the trannies are the Best. But lets not BS each other either,It's $3700 and up new. Apples to Oranges in comparison.
To me the Hotrod 100+ and the JCA100H are almost identical is tones. Sure theres a slight difference because of the trannies, but not night and day.
All i was trying to say earlier in other posts is that why would a guy buy a Hotrod 100+ when down the road hes going to sell it and get a SLO.
You might as well save your cash and get the JCA100H for $800.00 and then see if the Soldano tones are for you, then move to the SLO when you have the cash and really want the Flagship of all Soldano designed amps.

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