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« Reply #27 on: Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm »

I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.
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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #28 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am »

Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

on Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.


i dunno.. i'd agree that there are guitars out there that aren't worth, say, 3k especially gibsons from about the early 90's to today (the inlays on them used to be full of filler..)

but i disagree with saying that cost, origin and manufacture date are, broadly speaking, irrelevant..

cost wise, a guitar that costs 3k may not be 3k's worth of guitar, but it doesnt mean its less good than a $500 guitar. i think by and large you get what you pay for, up to a point (PRS and Gibson im looking at you). its also doesnt mean a $500 dollar and under guitar is going to suck, you can get some amazing guitars new for this, but only on a case by case basis on a line and not with the consistency your going to get from a 2k guitar

origin, well, there's a reason companies outsource to xyz far east company. cheap labour and high output volume to service a market segment that is much bigger than the 2-3k market, at the cost of quality.. doesnt mean they all suck. see above. but in general they're not well made.

date of manufacture can be important, i would imagine with a company thats high end and started out hand making their guitars before they were forced, again by the necessity of increasing output volume, to move to semi production line, the earlier low output stuff would be better made and inspected. its how they build a reputation

i think you just have to judge everything on a case by case basis, high end or not however i think the chance of you getting a good guitar increases with the amount you are prepared to pay

i dont think theres anything wrong with the JCA amps, my objection to them is based on the ethics of the country where they're produced.. as i said before, wherever possible i'll choose to buy something manufactured virtually anywhere else than china. or burma. or underdeveloped nations in general where kids/low labour costs are being exploited for all they're worth

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm »

I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 20th, 2010, 06:22am »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.


+1 yeah, i posted on japanese stuff a bit further up this thread

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« Reply #31 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 12:47am »

Anybody know what the loop level is on this sucker?

I kinda like the idea of a soldano(ish?) amp at a low price for gigs. I live and gig(alot) in Detroit/Flint/Pontiac area; I've had shit stolen, I've been rolled, actually had a gun pulled on 2 occasions....haulin' a $3000+ amp around here is kinda nerve racking to say the least.....

I have a couple 5150's for "bad neighborhood gigs" but really dont like em' for anything other than that one compressed metal tone they do.....

Show up to a gig with a j-city, a couple boss pedals, one of these new cheaper Ernie Ball guitars (you guys seen the sterling line?) wolfie special and maybe a cheap G&L tribute......CRANK IT, and jam some blues - funk - blue eyed soul - country - EVH madness, get paid and get the hell out......have less invested in the whole rig than one soldano amp......not worry to much about the liability.....and still have something close to the tone of the "real' rig at home ............for a working musician its.....bliss.....bliss......
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm »

I've owned the JCA100H now for 2 weeks and it's a awesome amp and built just like the Avenger/Hotrod heads.
The loop is exactly like Mike's Soldano design,best for rack units. Pedals do work but not very clean sounding. Rack units sound awesome.
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. More gain than you will ever need and the Huge Trannies support many different types of output tubes.
After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .
Now i know it's not a SLO, nothing but the real thing can be a SLO. But this amp rocks hard and is worth every bit of the $899.00 price even though it's made in China.
My favorite arsonal now is the SLO and the JCA100H.Side by side they sound fantastic together and i don't care what people think about the JCA. They are awesome amps and designed by the man himself to give you awesome tones without spending $4000.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 5:39pm »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am, tekbow wrote:
Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

In Ireland, actually. One of the shops in Dublin used to stock a few odd-balls every now and again. They had two of them. I played the Les Paul copy.

It was great, even better than a number of the top-end Tokai's I've managed to play. It had EMG 81's in it, which is not entirely my cup of tea, but nonetheless, it played, felt and sounded great.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm »

I love my SLO-100, but I couldn't afford one new one...especially right now.

In regard to Edwards guitars. The Japanese guitars that I have owned or played (Ibanez RG Prestige,ESP Stephen Carpenter model,ESP Horizon,Jackson Stars Randy Rhoads model) are all flawless.

I'd bet that the quality of Edwards guitars is very high...akin to USA Jacksons,Hamers,Suhrs,etc.
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am »

on Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm, JB6464 wrote:
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .


Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
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« Reply #36 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Are you being serious?

I'm kind of offended that you'd say something so disrespectful about an amp that was designed by Soldano and that many people happily own, including myself.

If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.
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« Reply #37 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Are you being serious? If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.


Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?
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« Reply #38 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 6:49pm »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 4:21pm, bamabluesboy wrote:
Yes, I was being sarcastic.

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I guess it did sound a little harsh. embarassed

I do think he is hurting production of those two amps though. People would buy a Hot Rod until they could afford an SLO. Now they'll just buy a JCA until they can afford an SLO.

$$$ Mike's still gonna make a killin' on that JCA stuff. $$$

I guess that's all that matters right?


Soz man, I shouldn't of taken your response so seriously.

As much as I agree, I disagree at the same time. I mean, I own a Soldano - A fucking Soldano. Even if it's one of their cheaper models, I still feel a part of the family; I still proudly rave about it and feel adequate enough to post on the forums here, even though most of you are all experienced SLO users.

I think it will hurt the sales of the Avenger and HR, but I can't imagine it killing them. I mean, I bought one. Jet City weren't really as "hyped" back then as they are now, but still.
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« Reply #39 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 8:31pm »

I own a SLO and gig it every week somewhere.


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It's my favorite amp ever. Mike designed it and I'm very glad he did. I use it every day with a big 'ole grin on my face. grin

I like the entire "SOLDANO" USA line of products.

Just because Mike is involved with JCA does not automatically make me a fan of that brand. Mike dosen't know me and could probably care less about what I think anyway. I still don't like the Jet City stuff for a number of reasons.

I'm also tired of doing a search of "Soldano" on eBay and all that JCA stuff popping up. angry

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« Reply #40 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 11:41am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Maybe he should consider it. Almost everyone who has a Hotrod 100+ ends of selling it for the SLO anyways. It's never going to be a SLO so why take time away from creating a SLO II. grin grin grin
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 6th, 2010, 1:24pm »

I’ll be honest with you JB6464. I have not agreed with anything you said so far, but that last statement was logical. Why would Soldano continue to make those anymore?

This is what Jet City themselves said on Harmony Central:

“Mike designed 20H, and 100H - 100%, top-to-bottom, inside and out. Chassis, PCB, layout, parts list, wiring diagram, schematic, Headshell, etc etc. Also, the pots we use in China are the same functional spec as the Soldano-used pots. So from a design stand point? It is in all other ways a HotRod 100. This means the difference is in the parts and labor. And as noted in this thread, the biggest difference is TRANSFORMERS. In the case of the 20H, Mike gave me the same spec he used for the Atomic 16 tranny, and I had it sourced in China. I went over there and measured and LISTENED and revised. And repeated. Probably 4 times. When I thought I nailed it, I brought it home to Mike, who gave it another rinse (personally) and directed changes which resulted in the final version. In 100H the process was faster. Regarding the "other" parts, I have to say, what we are getting in China is not that much different than what Soldano uses in his stuff here."

Sounds like Jet City is basically saying that that the JCA “Soldano” designed stuff is equally as good as an American made Hot Rod. To me, Jet City’s statement above is telling everyone that it is a waste of money to buy a USA made Soldano Hot Rod 100 or 50.
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