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xx Re: New Jet City Amplification JCA100H Demos
« Reply #22 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm »

on Mar 7th, 2010, 10:57am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Sure, it no doubt makes the Jet City stuff look better with "Soldano" on it. That's why I posted earlier “I'm sure somebody, somewhere advised them to do what they did for marketing reasons”.

They did it sell more amps, anyone can see that.

Obviously I am outnumbered here. I was just expressing a little personal thought and opinion.

I’m just a purist I guess. grin


I agree with you actually, i see the point in what you're saying although the difference between "designed by mike soldano" and "by Soldano" may be splitting hairs a little. but i do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc.

you could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal, but on the other side of it, that implies we buy soldano to own soldanos and not because they sound amazing.

personally, i'd like to see the name plastered over it a little less, they make enough of the fact that mike designs them on the website. But you know, i remember when i was starting, and having, say, the fender name in a small size on the headstock of my squire (i still have her bless) got me into the real guitar club, in my head anyway, got me that little bit closer to my heroes and made me practice more.

so if some 13 year old kid, whos parents maybe can't afford anything more, scraps and saves all his christmas, birthday, and paper round money together for a year, and gets a real 20W valve amp for what one of these costs, and loves it and feels the magic of the name on it, let him smiley

if he turns into fashion wearing latest craze hipster idiot, then we can lay into him lol

i should point out that i was considering one of these as a low wattage practice and small gigging amp, but decided no on the basis that a) i still can't find a u.k. dealer and b) im lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible. i disagreed with the olympics being held there andi disagree with the low money workers are paid and i disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 8th, 2010, 11:32pm »

on Mar 8th, 2010, 8:09pm, tekbow wrote:
I agree with you actually, I see the point in what you're saying. I do get what you mean about the use of fonts etc. You could argue that when you buy a Soldano amp you buy into exclusivity, and seeing the exclusive name you bought into on a cheap amp feels a little like a betrayal.

I'm lucky that i can afford to choose not buy chinese made stuff where possible.

I disagreed with the olympics being held there and I disagree with the low money workers are paid and I disagree with the whole human rights thing in general.. high horse possibly.. but its my opinion..


Right on. I'm not alone. grin

I'm no fan of China. angry
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm »

The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 5:00pm »

on Mar 10th, 2010, 2:06pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
The drum company, Tama, is a Japanese-based group that have always built their high-end equipment in Japan and their lower-end stuff in China.

Recently, though, along with many other great drum companies, they have started to produce even their high-priced stuff in China. And so far I haven't met anyone who has noticed a difference in class.

To be honest, I think guitarists are a lot more picky – almost snobby – than drummers. And if a Chinese-made amplifier goes tits-up, the word spreads very fast among us. It wouldn't be quite the same with drummers. They tend to let it go and just bash (play) on their Chinese kit they've had for years, happily


yeah, i see your point, we are a picky lot, my objection to chinese stuff is purely moral though..

by all accounts the jet city amp is a stonker for the price.

i think its easy to have a go at cheap made instruments especially china etc. but look at the setup. the person is trained to do the job, they dont have enthusiasts building them. do the job well enough to get paid at the end of the day.

i think its the same with any mass produced item, the more you pay the more care is taken and the better the components used.

the only exception to the rule i think is japan, they may not have, say, a guitar enthusiast building guitars at tokai/dyna gakki for fender but what they do have is a culture of pride in their job even if it is a stage on a production line. they're going to do that to the highest standard and pass it on to the next stage. their real strength is consistency.

now, beware, im no trolling or trying to start a flame war..

i think on average a fender guitar (such as my own) built in japan, is a better guitar than a u.s. one. and here's the important phrase.. on average. take the 62 reissues. there are two equivalent models. one is around £1100 (MIA) and the other is £700 (MIJ). Now american ones, for the money, range from mediocre to "how come this didn't come out of the custom shop?".

ive played a lot of american strats and ive seen them run this range. japanese strats on the other hand range from "slightly better than an exceptional but not custom shop guitar" to merely "very good indeed". and always "worth way more than 700 quid". the consistency is there. i've played a load of jap strats and while ive preferred some over others, i've never played one i didnt like.

i might go so far as to say, fender japan are more the inheritors of leo's legacy than FMIC..? he wanted to get a solid good quality instrument out to the masses quickly and affordably.. the masses can't afford custom shop.

the best (and i mean best) u's' guitars are made by people who love doing it, where the production line is a little less er.. production line lol

PRS high end guitars are still like this, musicman are just unspeakably good. i really BTW like the new charvel production guitars lol which i believe are made by the jackson factory? anyway.. there you are grin
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 10th, 2010, 5:53pm »

Yeah I agree.

You could pay roughly £550 for a Japanese Edwards Les Paul copy, but £350 for an Epiphone Les Paul copy... undecided

... the Edwards that I played was superior to any of the Gibson's I had experience with, simply because it was cheaper - and that made me respect it more.

When I pay £3000 I demand perfection. Gibson do not offer that. But there have been times when I was really impressed by a Studio Les Paul.

So like you said, it's hit-and-miss.

With drums, it's obviously a different type of production and maybe requires less care than an amplifier, such as the Jet City does. Which means the quality could differ, even though it may be from a factory down the road in China with the same unfit wages offered. I don't know.

I feel like I want to give China a go. Maybe if everyone trusted more, business would improve for them. Which could mean better services. I dunno.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm »

I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am »

Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

on Mar 18th, 2010, 11:37pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I'd love to play one...the clips sound great. There is a huge fallacy that all USA-made products are somehow superior to imported products. This is a heaping pile of steaming bullcrap. My friend has a $3,000.00 Gibson Les Paul Custom that is complete junk. No Schaller roller bridge, $250.00 boutique pickup or Voodoo magic can save it. I don't care if it was made before or after "Jiffy Lube" bought Gibson. A piece-of-junk is a piece-of-junk and the cost,origin of manufacture and date of production have nothing to do with quality.


i dunno.. i'd agree that there are guitars out there that aren't worth, say, 3k especially gibsons from about the early 90's to today (the inlays on them used to be full of filler..)

but i disagree with saying that cost, origin and manufacture date are, broadly speaking, irrelevant..

cost wise, a guitar that costs 3k may not be 3k's worth of guitar, but it doesnt mean its less good than a $500 guitar. i think by and large you get what you pay for, up to a point (PRS and Gibson im looking at you). its also doesnt mean a $500 dollar and under guitar is going to suck, you can get some amazing guitars new for this, but only on a case by case basis on a line and not with the consistency your going to get from a 2k guitar

origin, well, there's a reason companies outsource to xyz far east company. cheap labour and high output volume to service a market segment that is much bigger than the 2-3k market, at the cost of quality.. doesnt mean they all suck. see above. but in general they're not well made.

date of manufacture can be important, i would imagine with a company thats high end and started out hand making their guitars before they were forced, again by the necessity of increasing output volume, to move to semi production line, the earlier low output stuff would be better made and inspected. its how they build a reputation

i think you just have to judge everything on a case by case basis, high end or not however i think the chance of you getting a good guitar increases with the amount you are prepared to pay

i dont think theres anything wrong with the JCA amps, my objection to them is based on the ethics of the country where they're produced.. as i said before, wherever possible i'll choose to buy something manufactured virtually anywhere else than china. or burma. or underdeveloped nations in general where kids/low labour costs are being exploited for all they're worth

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm »

I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 20th, 2010, 06:22am »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 11:25pm, LIMETORD wrote:
I don't think cost,origin of manufacture or date of production are irrelevant. I think that the aforementioned factors are irrelevant in regard to the quality of specific items. USA guitars and amps are not "better" than non-USA made products simply because they are produced in the USA. There are many USA-made guitars and amps that are junk. Likewise- there are many imported guitars and amps that are junk. Guitarists are notorious for this weird "holy grail" way of thinking (I.e. "The Japanese made BOSS Turbo Overdrive with the old Roland V-chip is better than the newer one made in China without the V-chip.") It's a bunch of crap.


+1 yeah, i posted on japanese stuff a bit further up this thread

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« Reply #31 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 12:47am »

Anybody know what the loop level is on this sucker?

I kinda like the idea of a soldano(ish?) amp at a low price for gigs. I live and gig(alot) in Detroit/Flint/Pontiac area; I've had shit stolen, I've been rolled, actually had a gun pulled on 2 occasions....haulin' a $3000+ amp around here is kinda nerve racking to say the least.....

I have a couple 5150's for "bad neighborhood gigs" but really dont like em' for anything other than that one compressed metal tone they do.....

Show up to a gig with a j-city, a couple boss pedals, one of these new cheaper Ernie Ball guitars (you guys seen the sterling line?) wolfie special and maybe a cheap G&L tribute......CRANK IT, and jam some blues - funk - blue eyed soul - country - EVH madness, get paid and get the hell out......have less invested in the whole rig than one soldano amp......not worry to much about the liability.....and still have something close to the tone of the "real' rig at home ............for a working musician its.....bliss.....bliss......
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm »

I've owned the JCA100H now for 2 weeks and it's a awesome amp and built just like the Avenger/Hotrod heads.
The loop is exactly like Mike's Soldano design,best for rack units. Pedals do work but not very clean sounding. Rack units sound awesome.
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. More gain than you will ever need and the Huge Trannies support many different types of output tubes.
After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .
Now i know it's not a SLO, nothing but the real thing can be a SLO. But this amp rocks hard and is worth every bit of the $899.00 price even though it's made in China.
My favorite arsonal now is the SLO and the JCA100H.Side by side they sound fantastic together and i don't care what people think about the JCA. They are awesome amps and designed by the man himself to give you awesome tones without spending $4000.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 5:39pm »

on Mar 19th, 2010, 10:57am, tekbow wrote:
Angry, where did you get to play the edwards? think there's every chance i'd choose one on these over a current production gibson LP, but would like to have a go on one

In Ireland, actually. One of the shops in Dublin used to stock a few odd-balls every now and again. They had two of them. I played the Les Paul copy.

It was great, even better than a number of the top-end Tokai's I've managed to play. It had EMG 81's in it, which is not entirely my cup of tea, but nonetheless, it played, felt and sounded great.
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:00pm »

I love my SLO-100, but I couldn't afford one new one...especially right now.

In regard to Edwards guitars. The Japanese guitars that I have owned or played (Ibanez RG Prestige,ESP Stephen Carpenter model,ESP Horizon,Jackson Stars Randy Rhoads model) are all flawless.

I'd bet that the quality of Edwards guitars is very high...akin to USA Jacksons,Hamers,Suhrs,etc.
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am »

on Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:20pm, JB6464 wrote:
The lead gain on the JCA100H is identical to the Avenger/SLO. After owning this amp i can't see paying $2500 for a Hotrod/Avenger ever again since the build quality is identical and the amp rocks serious Soldano tones .


Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
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« Reply #36 on: Apr 5th, 2010, 11:06am »

on Apr 5th, 2010, 09:26am, bamabluesboy wrote:
Maybe Mike can stop production on the Hotrod and Avanger and finally get those pesky amps off the product list on his website. rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes


Are you being serious?

I'm kind of offended that you'd say something so disrespectful about an amp that was designed by Soldano and that many people happily own, including myself.

If you were being sarcastic (which I truly hope) then I take back what I said.
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