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« Reply #35 on: Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am »

I don't know if I want to go back into this because so many of you clearly feel that metal these days is all about, "she didn't talk to me in school so I cried myself to sleep after attempting to self harm with a plastic knife in a place were people would notice, but not too badly cos it hurt" ... when that is a VERY small minority of music. A minority, I might add, I have no experience with. I mean, name a band that actually sings about stuff like that and I'll tell you whether I've heard of them or like them.

I'm not having a go, I just feel it's hypocritical of both of us. I dissed Megadeth for being shallow - in which you strongly disagreed and added a further point stating they had something to say - and you dissed modern music for being shallow - in which you are very wrong, making you hypocritical, like me.

Like I said, it's such a clichéd thing to say that “all more metal is about hurting myself and being pissed off my girlfriend isn't going down on my enough”, when that is a load of bs. We all know that is only an extremely small figure of bands these days. And they aren't popular, not that I know of. I'm talking about bands like Slipknot, Gojira, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Cloudkicker, Between the Buried and Me, Cult of Luna, Devil Sold His Soul, ISIS, Machine Head, etc. NOT whatever bands you're talking about.

And when you look at Machine Head, I personally see them as a more modernized version of Megadeth - They have the cheesy lyrics, awesome riffs and devoted fans - But, while Megadeth centres strictly within the original version of thrash, Machine Head have branched out into sludge, groove metal, etc. whilst still retaining their thrashy element. They are not processed from the record industry.

It's really annoying when people speculate the origins of certain artists. cry
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« Reply #36 on: Jul 7th, 2010, 11:25am »

on Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
I'm not having a go,



You kinda were.. saying i'm not having a go doesn't make it any less so

on Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
I just feel it's hypocritical of both of us. I dissed Megadeth for being shallow - in which you strongly disagreed and added a further point stating they had something to say - and you dissed modern music for being shallow - in which you are very wrong, making you hypocritical, like me.



I'm not being hypocrtitcal. The hypocracy is the money making machine of the modern commercial music industry which stifles anything that isn't crafted towards an established demographic, which, unless you listen to ultra indie label music, most modern "metal" is. I'm not even that big a MD fan, although dave mustaine is a tasty riffer

on Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Like I said, it's such a clichéd thing to say that “all more metal is about hurting myself and being pissed off my girlfriend isn't going down on my enough”


Not to those of us who felt totally alienated when nu metal took our music away. Like it or not Emo is the direct descendent of that. and come on really man.. middle class teenage angst is a bit hypocritical and pretentious

on Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
And when you look at Machine Head, I personally see them as a more modernized version of Megadeth - They have the cheesy lyrics, awesome riffs and devoted fans - But, while Megadeth centres strictly within the original version of thrash, Machine Head have branched out into sludge, groove metal, etc. whilst still retaining their thrashy element. They are not processed from the record industry.


Let's not go classifying machinehead as a modern metal band. to me and a lot of us they are the evolution that Metal probably should have taken, given their recent output, i'm prepared to forgive them the deadends that were their albums post "the more things change" and pre "ashes of empires". BTW i went to see these guys support slayer in 95 in belfast. they were one of the roadrunner bands. a fine fine label.

on Jul 7th, 2010, 10:32am, AngryGoldfish wrote:
It's really annoying when people speculate the origins of certain artists. cry


shouldn't have started it then. and i'm not speculating. i was there..

look.. there are a lot of fine modern metal bands out there but this whole debate started because of a question about the sound of modern metal. what most people are objecting to is the fact that it's all software processed overproduced soulessness. it really ain't any different than britney spears, it's the easiest way to output a large amount of dross quickly, and make the most money for the minimum investment. Guys like machine head, slayer, etc don't do that. they still crank and amp in a studio, let rip. and it just sounds better..
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« Reply #37 on: Jul 7th, 2010, 8:31pm »

Emo was born from many different sources, fashions and eras. It was the natural progression of human beings and their desire to be different that really istignated the new musical fad that we're callilng Emo.

For people are more alert about their feelings these days. Magazines give advice on a weekly basis towards those who feel genuinely suicidal or are having marital problems, because that is what people what to read / see / hear. I don't like 'fake' bands either, but I think there is a definitely a miscommunication between us - as I don't know what bands you're talking about. Who are these processed, shitty bands? - After all this talk, I could well agree with you. But, according to many of you here, modern metal is crap because it's whiny and digital.

I'm just going to clarify my point regarding Britney Spears and your point regarding her and the similarities of metal bands today: How are you really to know that Britney Spears didn't love the music that she either helped write or let others write? Because if she did, and if it meant something to others around the globe, so what if it's processed? So what if it makes loads of money? The cheese you eat in your fridge is processed - it needs to be to sell cheaply. The speakers in your cabinets are processed - they need to be or else you'd have to pay twice the price. It doesn't make them useless. These bands serve a purpose, and if they enjoy what they're doing, good for them.

Anyway, if you equate these bands (which still have not been mentioned) to Britney Spears, how can you really know for sure they were mass-produced by marketing companies for the sake of earning money? And how are you to know the bands themselves couldn't give two shits as long as they were making money? You're just guesstimating. If you can actually show me a hard example of a band member you spoke to or read an interview on or even heard rumours about, show me them. I look at bands like KISS, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, and see the same thing that you see regarding modern bands. But I try not to bitch about them because, even though they sound fake and "digital", every time I read an interview about them or watch a YouTube clip, I remember that these are people that do really love music.

And the same goes for pop music. Yes, some are regularly reported as manufactured music, simply to earn money, but they happen to also make a lot of people happy. And that's fine.
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« Reply #38 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 03:52am »

on Jul 7th, 2010, 8:31pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Emo was born from many different sources, fashions and eras. It was the natural progression of human beings and their desire to be different that really istignated the new musical fad that we're callilng Emo.

For people are more alert about their feelings these days. Magazines give advice on a weekly basis towards those who feel genuinely suicidal or are having marital problems, because that is what people what to read / see / hear.


Dan, come on.. are you trying to tell me Emo is a natural evolution of human conciousness, and that up until Emo arrived, there weren't as many magazine columns helplines etc for people with problems? to you Emo is a cause/way of life/mantra etc. to the guys making a bunch of money off you, your a loyal demographic..


on Jul 7th, 2010, 8:31pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
I don't like 'fake' bands either, but I think there is a definitely a miscommunication between us - as I don't know what bands you're talking about. Who are these processed, shitty bands? - After all this talk, I could well agree with you. But, according to many of you here, modern metal is crap because it's whiny and digital.


Most (not all) of the guys you mentioned tbh.. and no, according to most of us here, modern metal is crap because it's commercial..

on Jul 7th, 2010, 8:31pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
I'm just going to clarify my point regarding Britney Spears and your point regarding her and the similarities of metal bands today: How are you really to know that Britney Spears didn't love the music that she either helped write or let others write? Because if she did, and if it meant something to others around the globe, so what if it's processed? So what if it makes loads of money? The cheese you eat in your fridge is processed - it needs to be to sell cheaply. The speakers in your cabinets are processed - they need to be or else you'd have to pay twice the price. It doesn't make them useless. These bands serve a purpose, and if they enjoy what they're doing, good for them.


I can pretty much guarantee you that britney spears wrote none of her songs or music, in fact she's a great example of someone who was bled dry to the point of breaking by everyone who was supposed to protect her, it's no wonder she's a mess..

cheese is processed because eating unpasteurised dairy products isn't a fantastic idea, not bad for you as such, but risky. i don't see what that has to do with music. I'm not quite getting what you mean by processed speakers..? do you mean manufactured? um... if they weren't i'd be looking at a large heavy magnet, a bunch of wire and a load of cardboard, probably scratching my head. i wouldn't have paid twice the price for it though.

But as for manufacturing music and mass production, well that stifles creativity. when you tool up to go in to mass production you produce a lot of things cheaply due to the volume and economies of scale. most of the metal genres right now are false economies, as they make out to be different from each other when really all they have done (and i'm talking about the vast amount of chaff out there) is taken a particular element from earlier more balanced metal and ran with it, resulting in very repititive, identikit music. even most of the genre's don't sound different from each other..


on Jul 7th, 2010, 8:31pm, AngryGoldfish wrote:
Anyway, if you equate these bands (which still have not been mentioned) to Britney Spears, how can you really know for sure they were mass-produced by marketing companies for the sake of earning money? And how are you to know the bands themselves couldn't give two shits as long as they were making money? You're just guesstimating. If you can actually show me a hard example of a band member you spoke to or read an interview on or even heard rumours about, show me them. I look at bands like KISS, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, and see the same thing that you see regarding modern bands. But I try not to bitch about them because, even though they sound fake and "digital", every time I read an interview about them or watch a YouTube clip, I remember that these are people that do really love music.

And the same goes for pop music. Yes, some are regularly reported as manufactured music, simply to earn money, but they happen to also make a lot of people happy. And that's fine.


So, what, in essence, you're saying is f**k the music, it's not important, quite happy with a bunch of guys making a whole lot of money from me in return for weak music?

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« Reply #39 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 10:39am »


Yeah I'm not buying what he's selling. wink
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« Reply #40 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 11:12am »

I don't think I should keep talking about this. We both know it's not really what the Soldano forum is all about. I can't persuade you otherwise, and I know you can't persuade me otherwise. I had a big comment written up as an argument - with articles en all - but it's just kinda silly. I'm not the kind of person who becomes angry at a disagreement - I kinda think it's fun talkin' about this shit - so I hope there are no hard feelings between us?
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« Reply #41 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 11:16am »

chill Dan wink people are allowed to disagree, i wasn't being annoyed with you.
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« Reply #42 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 3:14pm »

Thanks, mate.

I wasn't annoyed at you either, it's just hard to tell sometimes whether you've insulted somebody with the way you talk or type.

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« Reply #43 on: Jul 17th, 2010, 07:23am »

I was, you wasted a shit load of space on here whining like a little emo douche bag...

Not really.... Ever get good and stoned, look over at the lamp near your recliner and see a wisp of smoke and laugh... the smoke that got away.... That was this last dozen posts.... the point got away IMO.

For modern tones, nothing wrong with getting a nice VH4S or Herbie, I like my Rivera Knuck Tre. For some reason drop tuning is associated with modern tone. Not splitting hairs, but the lower frequency is not a tone, it is a note. Unless you are calling a note a tone as compared to an amp voicing. The more compressed and tight grind in newer amps is cool, for a bit of variety. Not my staple amp voice but fun as hell to bash out some heavy stuff once in a while.
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