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« Reply #10 on: Feb 26th, 2010, 07:30am »

yeah but look at the pattern.. lol ive been thinking about this for a few days, talking with my girlfriend about it. the industry goes thru a cycle, seems to me anyway. the 50's, great breakout era for rock and roll then towards the end A&R men ruled into the mid 60's. a lot of covers of the same songs were released. late 60's into the 70's we get the brit explosion and the great american response to it, that gave us the stones, hendrix, the who, creedence clearwater, the doors and many others.

then disco came around with many innovative players doing new things noone had heard before, it became staid and commercial formulaic, the backlash was punk, the pistols etc in the uk and bands like husker du in the states.

it burned bright and short, then we got the west coast metal scene in the states, and the electronic thing in the u.k. it started out raw and edgy but by the end became silly and commercial

the backlash this time was grunge in america and acid house/ dance in britain. now we can go into more detail because this was something i saw happen.. i hit uni in 98, when dance music was massive but not commercial yet, you could got 20 differen clubs on any given night and here 20 diferent styles of dance music. into the 2000's and the small clubs are disappearing replaced with superclubs all playing the same chart crap.

so another stagnation..

for some reason then everything just became a demographic. when i was a kid i bought my combats in the army surplus store, now "metal kids" go to the same designer shops as everyone else to make their parents buy them 100 quid "distressed" metal wear. they're no different than the WAGS, the emo's, the clubbers.. and the music is he same.

right now metal, like a lot of other music seems to be a demographic.. its targetted at an age group. the music sounds the same, there's no rebellion anymore, there's no passion. bands dont make money, producers and labels do. Buy this sig axe, buy that sig amp, i have to have X guitar with Y pickups and Z amp to get band XYZ's tone..

the only band i think have really and truely kept there values, and have just gotten harder the older they get is slayer..

there will be a backlash soon, i wonder what we'll hear then grin
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 7:20pm »

on Feb 26th, 2010, 07:30am, tekbow wrote:
yeah but look at the pattern.. lol ive been thinking about this for a few days, talking with my girlfriend about it. the industry goes thru a cycle, seems to me anyway. the 50's, great breakout era for rock and roll then towards the end A&R men ruled into the mid 60's. a lot of covers of the same songs were released. late 60's into the 70's we get the brit explosion and the great american response to it, that gave us the stones, hendrix, the who, creedence clearwater, the doors and many others.

then disco came around with many innovative players doing new things noone had heard before, it became staid and commercial formulaic, the backlash was punk, the pistols etc in the uk and bands like husker du in the states.

it burned bright and short, then we got the west coast metal scene in the states, and the electronic thing in the u.k. it started out raw and edgy but by the end became silly and commercial

the backlash this time was grunge in america and acid house/ dance in britain. now we can go into more detail because this was something i saw happen.. i hit uni in 98, when dance music was massive but not commercial yet, you could got 20 differen clubs on any given night and here 20 diferent styles of dance music. into the 2000's and the small clubs are disappearing replaced with superclubs all playing the same chart crap.

so another stagnation..

for some reason then everything just became a demographic. when i was a kid i bought my combats in the army surplus store, now "metal kids" go to the same designer shops as everyone else to make their parents buy them 100 quid "distressed" metal wear. they're no different than the WAGS, the emo's, the clubbers.. and the music is he same.

right now metal, like a lot of other music seems to be a demographic.. its targetted at an age group. the music sounds the same, there's no rebellion anymore, there's no passion. bands dont make money, producers and labels do. Buy this sig axe, buy that sig amp, i have to have X guitar with Y pickups and Z amp to get band XYZ's tone..

the only band i think have really and truely kept there values, and have just gotten harder the older they get is slayer..

there will be a backlash soon, i wonder what we'll hear then grin


All very true. If you look even closer to the dates of the "backlash" you will see significant history/turmoil/wars/inventions.

It's coming. The best music is the underground stuff. The stuff you never really hear, until somebody makes it big. Then everybody jumps in, the record studios shape it until everybody sounds the same. Then it is boring, commercial. That seems to be the cycle.

But the " modern medal guitar tones " I hear all sound very similar, and therefore boring. Megadeath has stuck to thier roots, they still sound good. As does Slayer. But if you remember the late 70's early-mid 80's after Eddie, everyone copped his tone, his style, and ultimately it all got cheesy. It became a speed race. That is what it has become again to me. No style. All commercial B.S. It sounds funny to me all the anger. One band trying to sound more pissed off than the next.

Remember when Kurt Cobain and plaid shirts and ripped jeans was the latest music revolution. It sounded rebelious. But again the same cycle.

Just glad I never wore platform boots, jeans with 1000 zippers, black nail polish, eyeshadow and thought I was cool.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 6th, 2010, 9:18pm »

i think we should face the fact that the only thing new about music is the audience.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 06:39am »

on Feb 19th, 2010, 10:45pm, LIMETORD wrote:
Ha! That is definitely a weird coincidence. The White Wizzard stuff that I heard had some great guitar tones...not surprised they used a Soldano. The SLO in these live videos must be your amp then. smiley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VCoVAsMzFg&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlrRMeIBH20&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyiadCb1OM



Ha, that must be so cool to see your own amp on youtube smiley

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« Reply #14 on: Mar 7th, 2010, 07:23am »

Some really good posts from tekbow and hellboy....man this thread is very cool.
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 11th, 2010, 10:45am »

on Mar 7th, 2010, 07:23am, ryanmichael95 wrote:
Some really good posts from tekbow and hellboy....man this thread is very cool.


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TS, what metal bands are you talking about specifically?

I found a lot of the Thrash metal bands that came around during the 80's and later were as deriative as what we have now.
They suffered from an overly raw sound, and they're music was boring; the newer bands, then, are over-produced and boring.

It's a different phase for music - which is not what I like. Music isn't a phase, it's a way of life.
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 18th, 2010, 11:08pm »

There are interesting things happening in metal these days. If you haven't heard them you aren't listening in the right places. High on Fire is a band that fucking slays. Celtic Frost put out Monothiest in 2006. Gotta go...
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 01:37am »

Musically,there is tons of interesting stuff going on. Tone wise is a different story. Live metal tones have gotten worse over the years and the hideously trendy Frengel Buggerschall tones are not helping things out in that department. No one playing metal uses "real" amps in the studio anymore. Let me rephrase that a bit they may track with a real amp,but the signal is split with a direct signal and plug-ins are used for the final recorded tone. The same thing is done with drums. The final sound is a massive,crushing wall of (artificially produced) sound. Modern metal productions are akin to modern movie productions...lots of fanciful production techniques are used to overload the consumers' senses and give the illusion of a superior product. Alot of icing and no cake. Hollywood and (metal) music engineers have in effect perfected the art of turd polishing.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 22nd, 2010, 06:45am »

and the mythbusters grin

im hearing this a lot actually, i don't do much, if any recording, and the notion is utterly horrifying..
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 25th, 2010, 8:24pm »

LIMETORD.

You said it all in a nutshell. Or in an Ubershell.


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« Reply #20 on: Apr 1st, 2010, 4:20pm »

on Mar 22nd, 2010, 01:37am, LIMETORD wrote:
Musically,there is tons of interesting stuff going on. Tone wise is a different story. Live metal tones have gotten worse over the years and the hideously trendy Frengel Buggerschall tones are not helping things out in that department. No one playing metal uses "real" amps in the studio anymore. Let me rephrase that a bit they may track with a real amp,but the signal is split with a direct signal and plug-ins are used for the final recorded tone. The same thing is done with drums. The final sound is a massive,crushing wall of (artificially produced) sound. Modern metal productions are akin to modern movie productions...lots of fanciful production techniques are used to overload the consumers' senses and give the illusion of a superior product. Alot of icing and no cake. Hollywood and (metal) music engineers have in effect perfected the art of turd polishing.




Yep, add to that they auto tune, loop, gate and trim; they pretty much protools the shit out of everything.

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« Reply #21 on: Apr 1st, 2010, 5:54pm »

I wonder if some of this is due to the trend of music downloading. Seems everyone is listening to down loaded music through tiny ear buds or computer speakers. Is the modern music bieng tuned to tiny speakers?

I still like to actually buy entire CD. Sit down and listen to it start to finish. I actually perfer records. I think they sound more musical. I can hear a digital difference between a record and a CD of the same. I can hear an even bigger difference between a CD and an IPod.

But recently it seems most bands fill CD's with as many "singles" as they can. I miss the songs recorded for the diehard fans. Songs that are specific, true to thier roots.

Remember when you could listen to a CD and say, there it is, thats the single, or radio play list song. It is the stuff in between the singles that made great bands great.

Where is the B side stuff?
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 29th, 2010, 12:06pm »

I am waiting for the creative reaction to death metal.

I have a feeling more kids are playing Guitar Hero instead of a real guitar. It is robbing our generation of upcoming players. It was fun to come home from jr. high and plug in my guitar and work on some KISS Alive I or Aerosmith, Steeley Dan... I don't think Guitar Hero is developing future musicians. Sure music is fun for me to play, but also it gives something to someone else. Not sure that is coming across in a video game. Music is not really at it's best when it is approached as a game, to push this button for sound A, or that one for sound B.
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 29th, 2010, 1:42pm »

on Apr 29th, 2010, 12:06pm, 05Softail wrote:
I am waiting for the creative reaction to death metal.

I have a feeling more kids are playing Guitar Hero instead of a real guitar. It is robbing our generation of upcoming players. It was fun to come home from jr. high and plug in my guitar and work on some KISS Alive I or Aerosmith, Steeley Dan... I don't think Guitar Hero is developing future musicians. Sure music is fun for me to play, but also it gives something to someone else. Not sure that is coming across in a video game. Music is not really at it's best when it is approached as a game, to push this button for sound A, or that one for sound B.


I think it both encourges people to play, and discourages.

Today, there are far easier ways to get in contact with good music - YouTube, Guitar Hero, Radio, LastFm, Myspace, MTV, etc. - And although it both distracts youths from playing instruments, it also opens up so many different avenues of music to these people. You can't ignore rock music any more.

And, in my opinion, if a young lad/lassie really wants to play guitar, little can stop him from doing that.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 18th, 2010, 1:41pm »

A lot of the so-called metal that I've heard in the last few years, is downright whiney. It sounds like the Emo influence is satrting to work it's way into metal and it really chaps my ass. This faggy, "mom and dad didn't hold me enough, my life is hard and my girl dumped me" crap has no place in metal.

A lot of the stuff I've heard just sounds like they need to turn the amp up and the preamp gain down. It's fuzzy and overly saturated with flat cardboard like dynamics. There's so much good gear available today. I think a lot of people are just overly dependant on preamp gain. This crap is like the antithesis of Fair Warning, Out of the Cellar, Appetite for Destruction orUnder Lock and Key. Marshall, Soldano or whatever...ou've still got to crank it to get to the good stuff. SLO's just get magical past 5. smiley
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